EcotecSunfire wrote:Wow...........it took them this long to finally figure that out? At least it sounds like they're gonna try.
-JaysonZ24- wrote:i think GM's problem is, they only do enough to keep you interested in a car. They dont try and offer a great car and a great price. I mean the Cobalt SS S/C is a perfect example of this. Its supposed to compete with the SRT4. 205HP wow way to go GM. Wit a 24,000 dollar price tag. Ugh. That doesnt compete, it just barely hangs in there with the SRT4. Or the Silverado SS, ohh 345 HP with REAR DRUMS! The car has the badge SS, but it doesnt even have 4 wheel disc brakes. Drums just scream performance, thats why cavaliers have them. Im assuming they were trying to make a truck to compete with the lightning and SRT10, but once again they are just barely there. The only place GM does good performance wise is the mid size sports car area. The GTO and Vette. But while Ford remade is mustang, GM dropped the Camaro. Also GM really isnt taking a jump on the current AWD phase. Ford released the 500 with an AWD package. Its a really nice look car. But GM has nothing to combat that.
I dont think GM knows why its losing market shares. I think its because everyone else is offering more for less, while GM is offering less for more.
Detroit News wrote:Only two of General Motors Corp.'s eight brands -- Chevrolet and Cadillac -- will remain full-line marques while the others will offer more limited product lines under a new strategy aimed at building sales, cutting costs and bolstering brand identity.
The move marks a shift away from GM's long-held philosophy that nearly every brand should offer a full array of cars, trucks and minivans, said Mark LaNeve, GM North America vice president of vehicle sales, service and marketing.
Detroit News wrote:The automaker's goal is to clearly differentiate each of its brands and phase out cars and trucks that don't fit in with a brand or are too similar to other vehicles in GM's lineup.
"People say we have too many brands," LaNeve said in a recent interview. "We have too many brands if we try to do the same things with all the brands."
GM is revamping its sales and marketing strategy in an effort to reverse sliding sales and U.S. market share.
Analyst Jim Sanfilippo of AMCI Inc. in Bloomfield Hills said he believes the changes are necessary and could pay off for GM.
"It's like (GM Chairman and CEO) Rick Wagoner and LaNeve putting bricks and mortar back together while they're under fire," Sanfilippo said.
LaNeve said mass-market Chevrolet and premium Cadillac will be the two bookend brands, with each offering a broad product lineup.
In between, Buick, Pontiac, GMC, Saturn, Hummer and Saab will exist as "focus brands" with more limited portfolios.
That means, for example, GM could eliminate either the Buick Terraza or Pontiac Montana SV6 minivan -- which are similar to other GM minivans -- to concentrate on the brands' bread-and-butter vehicles.
Detroit News wrote:Pontiac, GM's performance division, is dropping the Bonneville full-size car at the end of this model year and may see its product line further truncated.
Detroit News wrote:GM is repositioning Saturn as a more upscale brand below Buick, leaving behind its past as a purveyor of plastic-clad compact cars.
Detroit News wrote:"We've made this clear to the dealers," LaNeve said. "Chevy's got to compete heads-up with Ford and Toyota and all the mainstream parts of the market, and Cadillac needs to have everything it can to compete with BMW, Mercedes and Lexus. The other brands need to be tightly focused."
Detroit News wrote:A key part of the strategy has been the ongoing transformation of Pontiac, Buick and GMC into a single sales channel where all three brands are sold at the same dealership. GM says the three brands complement each other and give customers myriad options.
About half of the GM dealers selling the three brands already have reconfigured their stores to sell all three, LaNeve said.
The effect, said David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, is downsizing without eliminating brands as some analysts have predicted.
"What they're really doing is taking their divisions and shrinking their number in a de facto way," Cole said.
Detroit News wrote: LaNeve said GM is also backing off big cash rebates that have helped elevate sales in recent years but undermined long-term brand equity.
The mantra now is "value" or "transaction pricing," where vehicles are priced closer to what consumers actually pay for the vehicle. That doesn't mean GM will abandon promotional deals that allow consumers to terminate leases early if they acquire another new GM model, or its current "Hot Button" contest in which GM is giving away 1,000 vehicles.
"We're going to be trying to hit much more compelling price points," LaNeve said. "We're clearly not going to go to the market as the incentive leader."
Detroit News wrote:"All of GM is being asked to think out of the box," Richer said.
James Romeo wrote: Saturn should go for the "my first car" market... I think it's a mistake to try to raise Saturn up to an Oldsmobile replacement. I think it's a better idea to aim in the opposite direction and offer cars with as much performance as a sub-15grand price tag will allow and position Saturn in the same ball park as Aveo/Cavalier/Sunfire territory as a Scion competitor alongside Chevy's Aveo and Cobalt. Re-badge some Opel cars and market them as fuel efficient super-warranty reliable transportation you'd want to buy your kids or commute to work in.
If Saturn goes the way they are planning to... I don't see how they will differentiate the brand. Sky is in the same market as Solstice, ION is in the same market as Cobalt... the problem is that the Chevy and Pontiac nameplates carry more weight so GM is only competing with itself and Saturn will only come up on the short end if they don't decide to offer something unique.
When GM starts offering hybrid and alternative fuel vehicles, I see Saturn as the natural choice to grow as GM's "green" nameplate. If GM had a Prius or Insight, it should certainly be a Saturn... and I think Saturn would be pulling in more sales if they had a cheap hybrid commuter car in the lineup right now.
JAMMIT wrote:James Romeo wrote: Saturn should go for the "my first car" market... I think it's a mistake to try to raise Saturn up to an Oldsmobile replacement. I think it's a better idea to aim in the opposite direction and offer cars with as much performance as a sub-15grand price tag will allow and position Saturn in the same ball park as Aveo/Cavalier/Sunfire territory as a Scion competitor alongside Chevy's Aveo and Cobalt. Re-badge some Opel cars and market them as fuel efficient super-warranty reliable transportation you'd want to buy your kids or commute to work in.
If Saturn goes the way they are planning to... I don't see how they will differentiate the brand. Sky is in the same market as Solstice, ION is in the same market as Cobalt... the problem is that the Chevy and Pontiac nameplates carry more weight so GM is only competing with itself and Saturn will only come up on the short end if they don't decide to offer something unique.
When GM starts offering hybrid and alternative fuel vehicles, I see Saturn as the natural choice to grow as GM's "green" nameplate. If GM had a Prius or Insight, it should certainly be a Saturn... and I think Saturn would be pulling in more sales if they had a cheap hybrid commuter car in the lineup right now.
Couldn't agree any more, Scions in many areas are on waiting lists...they can't make them fast enough. if GM made Saturn into a Scion killer...it would totally work. and if GM could build these Saturn Scion killers and offer them with a 10 year/100,000mile warranty they may actually start to make money. i maena supposedly Hyundai/Kia/ and Suzuki suck, and the majority of people make the uber-ignorant comments that those cars are junk. But tell me this then, if GM cars are SO MUCH better than a Suzuki or Hyundai.....why don't they stand behind their product and offer the same warranty deal?
that's why the big 3 are failing, smaller carmakers are beating them in quality, price, standard features, reliability and warranties. Saturn should be GM's first step into a new automotive world....NOT another Oldsmobile.
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OK, this is where I get off the bandwagon. If GM intends to put Saturn between Pontiac and Buick where Oldsmobile was, how does this make sense? If Oldsmobile Division couldn't cut it, especially considering it's 107 year history, groundbreaking technological advances throughout GM's history and having one of the all-time best selling vehicles EVER produced (Cutlass), how in the h*ll is Saturn going to do it?