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Hahn for 2.2?
Friday, October 14, 2005 9:42 PM
Whatever happened to the kit Hahn was supposed to be putting together for the 2.2? I know it was like a year ago, and the search only goes back to January of this year, so I couldn't find it.





Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:15 AM
its out.

Hahn LN2. 2.2 ohv turob kit


13 psi and climbing......

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:12 AM
yea whats the pricing tho? Is the 171 out of the stage 1 kit i assume? what kind of numbers are commin out of the stage 2?
Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:55 PM
man that kit looks bad a$$. i hope that kit comes out great like it did for the eco's. i can't wait till i start seeing a lot more turbo j-bodies so we can rule the streets lol . but i wonder whats the price piont goin to be.
Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:54 PM
I saw that one, but its on a 2200, not a 2.2. They were working on a kit specifically for the 2.2 with some sort of modified IM to use top feed injectors or something. I gave them a manifold at the '04 Bash and there was alot of talk about it, but I don't know what happened.




Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:11 PM
Anything?




Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:41 PM
im just wondering what other numbers are commin with the stage 2 kit? and prices on each of the kits
Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Monday, October 17, 2005 9:57 AM
At this time, we are only offering for the 2200. The, ahem, 'unique' aspects of the 2.2's injectors are a hurdle that we may cross this winter. Anyone in the Chicago-Milwaukee-Indianapolis region (or farther, it's up to you) who would like to get involved should email me with details about their car. It would have to be a 2.2 of the 95-97 variety, and you'd have to be willing to be without the car for a few weeks.

If we can't find a suitable recipient, we may purchase a car to pursue this. Frankly, it all depends on the demand. If the J-world doesn't clamor for this 2.2 version, we will stick with the 2200's and Ecotecs and call it good.

Thanks!



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Monday, October 17, 2005 10:21 AM
yup supply and demand ..... I hate that chain ....

HAHN racecraft is sweet... keep up the great work....

Lee


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14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
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Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Monday, October 17, 2005 1:25 PM
Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:At this time, we are only offering for the 2200. The, ahem, 'unique' aspects of the 2.2's injectors are a hurdle that we may cross this winter. Anyone in the Chicago-Milwaukee-Indianapolis region (or farther, it's up to you) who would like to get involved should email me with details about their car. It would have to be a 2.2 of the 95-97 variety, and you'd have to be willing to be without the car for a few weeks.

If we can't find a suitable recipient, we may purchase a car to pursue this. Frankly, it all depends on the demand. If the J-world doesn't clamor for this 2.2 version, we will stick with the 2200's and Ecotecs and call it good.

Thanks!


So...... if you end up not doing anything, are you going to send me back my manifold? I would be more than happy to let you use my car for that length of time, but I'm in MA. I'll be in touch.




Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Monday, October 17, 2005 1:43 PM
What about the 2.4 TC any word on a turbo kit for that motor or no?


Thanx Charles

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Monday, October 17, 2005 2:21 PM
boooooo no love for the 2.4's i would buy a turbo kit from hahn in a heart beat if they had it for the 2.4's. Ive read nothing but good post about their eco kits.







Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Monday, October 17, 2005 4:00 PM
Yessir, James! Thanks for lending the manifold...we should know the final answer by spring, I'd reckon.



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Monday, October 17, 2005 6:55 PM
OneBadZ24 wrote:boooooo no love for the 2.4's i would buy a turbo kit from hahn in a heart beat if they had it for the 2.4's. Ive read nothing but good post about their eco kits.
I know right.... id be all over that kit if they would make one



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Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:00 PM
Bill Hahn Jr.- so what kind of power can we accept from both kits and how much is each kits. how much power can the kit make with a bulit motor?
Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:28 AM
Erica wrote:Bill Hahn Jr.- so what kind of power can we accept from both kits and how much is each kits. how much power can the kit make with a bulit motor?


Stage II systems put out 171 WHP @ 8 PSI boost. We've not dyno tested Stage I, but estimated output is approx. 140 WHP.

The Super 15G turbo we use on these is really well suited to the airflow of the 2200. The result is very torquey! It's nearly identical to the turbo that comes on a new SRT-4. Maximum output (for a built engine) is around 300HP.

Have a quick look at our website for more details, and thanks for your interest.



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:05 PM
^^ Wha??
Torquey??

I pulled alot more torque than that with N2O and the same HP.




'99 2200 LS CX1 Sport
Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:37 PM
Man it makes me want to get an eco so I can get 200+ out that same amount of boost.


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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.



Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:43 PM
so what kind of numbers on the dyno would be if on the 2.2 you had internals done, full 2.5" exhaust system and perhaps maybe a superchip in it, even after you have bolted on the turbo kit (i'd say for both kit's Stage I and II).
Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:36 AM
Pushrods & Nitrous! wrote:^^ Wha??
Torquey??

I pulled alot more torque than that with N2O and the same HP.

I bet you did! Nitrous is undoubtetly the torque king. Nice results, however!

My reference to 'torquey' was based upon the impressions of all the GM people who have driven our prototype, as well as my own comparisons to the many other inline 4-cyl. engines we have turbocharged. These other engines typically favor high RPM due to their higher redlines and better flowing heads, but with the expected reduction these aspects bring to low and midrange torque. This 2200 with the Super 15G turbo is actually more fun to drive than an Ecotec turbo, at least in midrange. Of course, if you wind them both to redline, the Eco will surpass it, but that's to be expected from an engine that makes so much more HP in stock form.

Anyone recall the stock HP rating of the 2200? Engine and/or wheel HP?



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:52 AM
^^ 115 HP for the 2200. Dont know if thats engine, or whp.









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Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:53 AM
marinecavy wrote:so what kind of numbers on the dyno would be if on the 2.2 you had internals done, full 2.5" exhaust system and perhaps maybe a superchip in it, even after you have bolted on the turbo kit (i'd say for both kit's Stage I and II).

It's basically relative to the boost pressure increases that internal strengthening would allow. Stage I, as it's not intercooled, would not benefit from such changes as you suggest, for the 'ceiling' on that system is due to the lack of intercooling, as opposed to the engine's internal limitations. Increasing boost on a Stage I would only be advisable if high-octane was run continuously. As we develop all of our systems to be pump-gas freindly, we don't consider this an option, but people certainly do things with our kits outside of our 'standard envelope' too, lol.

As for Stage II: We have up to 300 HP worth of airflow available with this turbo, which is to say that surpassing 300HP (engine) would not be recommended. But 300HP is an admirable goal for a 2200, and represents about 50% more power overall than we are rating the Stage II at for pump gas on a stock engine. So there's definitely some 'left on the table' with this kit, as with all of our systems.

As a further point of comparison...SRT-4 folks have used their stock turbos to get well into the 12-second range. The turbo we use for 2200, almost identical to an SRT-4 unit, is actually a smidgen bigger on the exhaust side. Does this mean a 2200 could run 12's with a built engine and this turbosystem? Until it's done, I hesitate to say 'yes' in an authoritative manner, but we all can see that the potential is there.

I, for one, really like the 2200. I think it's unfairly overlooked. I see it as an LS-1/2, for it really looks like a V-8 with one cylinder bank cut off. As another point of comparison...SOHC Neons are similarly considered to be 'the red-headed stepchild' of the Neon line, with the DOHC getting all the praise. Yet, our customers with turbo SOHC cars who have ported the head and run a larger camshaft can actually keep up with the DOHC guys! Sure, if one wants to build an all-out performance car, no holds barred, a DOHC (or in J's, an Ecotec) is the way to go. But that certainly doesn't mean the SOHC (or 2200) are a waste of time for those who are looking for affordable cars and HP.



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:50 AM
Super 60 turbos own3s!






Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:28 AM
WHITECAVY wrote:^^ 115 HP for the 2200. Dont know if thats engine, or whp.

Must be engine HP, for if that were WHP, that would indicate about 135-140 engine HP, or same as Ecotec.

That seems about right..as I recall, when we dyno'ed a 2200 in stock form, we got in the high 90HP range at the wheels.



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com

Re: Hahn for 2.2?
Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:31 AM
thanks Bill Hahn Jr. any chance your related to me Erik Hahn (from Louisville, Ky),
hey Aaron any luck with your turbo setup or are you gonna go for one, by the way i'm right now in a casualty collection platoon waiting on orders for deployment to meet up with our remaining unit, i got promoted the other day to sergeant, but anyway just what's up in the ville and with JBOK, keep in touch man.
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