Who has what and what that brand look like (ie. round gauge, little box).
Post price, and wether it replaces 02 for a straight bolt on, or if a bung has to be welded in.
I'm prefer one that could fit in my autometer gauge pod, but i don't think autometer makes one(couldn't find it on their website). However, doesn't bother me to have a little box one. BUT.. want a complete kit.
Thanks!
Nate
Evolution of Cavyboy-->C22t--> C24na--->c24s/c
1995 Cavalier W/2k1 Engine
GM S/C 13.940@99.78pmh w/2.068 60ft
AutoMeter is in the process of developing a wideband A/F gauge. It should be released by April/May.
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Ive had both innovate lm-1 controller with lc-1 guage and now currently have the Aem 6in1 gauge. Both require a bund welded in. For data loggin i would say the innovate is good but for ease of install i would choose aem. AMS uses only aem widebands due to its ease of install and operation. The innovate is a pain in the a$$ you need to "free air calibrate" it every so often when the aem calibrates at start up every time. The innovate is an 8 wire hook up and the aem gauge is a 2 wire hook up without any data loggin or serial outputs. Power ground and your good to go. Innovate is around 300 and i got my aem one off ebay for 266. Good Luck hope this helps
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Respooled2k3 wrote:Ive had both innovate lm-1 controller with lc-1 guage and now currently have the Aem 6in1 gauge. Both require a bund welded in. For data loggin i would say the innovate is good but for ease of install i would choose aem. AMS uses only aem widebands due to its ease of install and operation. The innovate is a pain in the a$$ you need to "free air calibrate" it every so often when the aem calibrates at start up every time. The innovate is an 8 wire hook up and the aem gauge is a 2 wire hook up without any data loggin or serial outputs. Power ground and your good to go. Innovate is around 300 and i got my aem one off ebay for 266. Good Luck hope this helps
After reading that....... I'm going witht he AEM wideband UEGO................. Just because you don't need to "free air Calibrate"............................ I assume that the o2 sensor has to go fairly close to the turbo so that would be such a bitch to get to whenever you have to calibrate it !!!!!!! AEM IT IS !!!
Thanks Respooled !!
Lee
JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...
I am a big fan of the Zeitronix wideband. It's more bulky, but you can datalog LOTS of variables with it.
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i got both the hand held and stand alone from innovate , and got both from karo @ car customs
Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:I am a big fan of the Zeitronix wideband. It's more bulky, but you can datalog LOTS of variables with it.
X2. I use Zietronix on my DSM, and a few of us in the VR4 club run them too. Good product to have, and they're not overly expensive.
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The innovate can be calibrated in the exhaust pipe if it's been 6 hours or something like that according to the manual. So just do it in the morning before starting the car every once in a while, and it's not a PITA at all. In case you couldn't guess, I have the Innovate Motorsports one, and will be looking into the guage, I have the handheld unit for now.
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my bro is picking up a PLX wideband set up for his DSM. it has a guage and hooks into his DSM link engine management system.
I will report back on how he likes it. i might even hook it up to my car for a weekend. not sure.
anyone else using the Zeitronix wideband?? I've been looking at these for awhile now, they had a really good GP on newtiburon.com for them but it has ended. most people on that site seem to like it.
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firebug wrote:anyone else using the Zeitronix wideband?? I've been looking at these for awhile now, they had a really good GP on newtiburon.com for them but it has ended. most people on that site seem to like it.
We've used the Zeitronix on 2 of our setups that I have worked with myself, and love it. Installation is pretty straight forward as well.
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Ian Brydon wrote:The innovate can be calibrated in the exhaust pipe if it's been 6 hours or something like that according to the manual. So just do it in the morning before starting the car every once in a while, and it's not a PITA at all. In case you couldn't guess, I have the Innovate Motorsports one, and will be looking into the guage, I have the handheld unit for now.
Its not a pain in the ass but why would you want to do more work than you have to? calibrate in the morning vs. calibrate on startup automatically every time
6 wire install vs 2 wire install
Innovate vs AEM
Ive had both i know the ups and downs. For datalogging the innovate is nice especially if you buy their adapter that monitors like 6 inputs i think and thats pretty nice tuning tool.
And Lee you are welcome i had lost the money already on this one and payed 300 shipped for the innovate and i sold it for 250 and bought the aem one for 266 so my loss is your gain. I personally would chose the plx 500 i think it is probably the best for monitoring your system. Takes care of wideband (300) egt (125) and virtually all dataloggin (innovates tool like 350) so its worth it if you plan on getting the above mentioned. It looks pretty sweet to and its all windows based so its cake to work. I think ill get one for my next project. 94 hatch with type r motor and type r trans with boost of course.
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Shifted wrote:AEM 7in1 Wideband
Gauge, no box
Can replace sensor, but doesn't work for our cars, needed to weld in a bung.
$299 Retail: http://www.rpmoutlet.com/aemgauge.htm
I like this AEM setup. Seems easy to install and i'm not looking to do datalogging or anything like that. However, its says you can switch between AFR and Lambda readouts..whats Lambda?
so 249 with 50 dollar rebate.
good deal?
Nate
Evolution of Cavyboy-->C22t--> C24na--->c24s/c
1995 Cavalier W/2k1 Engine
GM S/C 13.940@99.78pmh w/2.068 60ft
The Lambda is the AFR in volts
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Ok so today i swapped my aem wideband into my car after ditching the innovate lm-1 lc-1 combo. When my innovate was in it read 11.7 as my a/f most of the time. Now today i used the aem wideband 6 in 1 and my a/f ratios on the same settings as in fuel pressures was dead rich 10:1 most of the time. So i turned down the fuel pressures, adjusted onset fuel pressures. tuned it to 12.3 and it feel much quicker i noticed a large gain in power. The old tune pulled 206hp and 229 ft/lb so im sure i could achieve more power as in 215-225. So i may go back to ams and get another three runs in.
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When Fuel and air burn, certain amounts of Oxygen are left, depending on the mixture. The mixture that burns all the fuel is called "Lambda" or "Stoichiometric". "1" Lambda is the complete burning of the fuel or 14.7:1 Air Fuel ratio. (Air fuel ratio is measured by the amount of weight, or mass. I.e. 14.7 lbs. of air for every 1 lb. of fuel.) Anything less than "1" Lambda is a rich mixture and more than "1" Lambda is a lean mixture. I.e. "1.3" Lambda is lean, more air than oxygen.
Its a statistical measurement, like I said above. Imagine a bell curve, draw a line dividing it in two vertically. That line is lambda, or 1 lambda. Anything on the right of the bell curve is leaner, and is 1.x lambda, anything to the left of the bell curve is .x lambda. Therefore, the maximum range of the lambda scale is 0-2 lambda, where 1 is in the middle, 2 is completely lean, and 0 is completely rich.
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I use the dynojet wideband commander. Lots of cool features like afr based window switches, warning lights, 0-5v output, native or pc logging, rpm and throttle and MAP inputs........ Very nice unit for what i paid which was like $350 from ebay.
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Respooled2k3 wrote:Ok so today i swapped my aem wideband into my car after ditching the innovate lm-1 lc-1 combo. When my innovate was in it read 11.7 as my a/f most of the time. Now today i used the aem wideband 6 in 1 and my a/f ratios on the same settings as in fuel pressures was dead rich 10:1 most of the time. So i turned down the fuel pressures, adjusted onset fuel pressures. tuned it to 12.3 and it feel much quicker i noticed a large gain in power. The old tune pulled 206hp and 229 ft/lb so im sure i could achieve more power as in 215-225. So i may go back to ams and get another three runs in.
SO what your telling me then, is that the AEM seems to be much more accurate............
if thats the case.... I suggest EVERYONE to dump the LM1..............
because running 10.0.. is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too rich ......... thats the point I'd be watching out for spinning a bearing ..............(oil and gas don't mix well together)
and mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 12.3 ........................ must have haulled ass.................... 12.3 is MINT.........
thanks for the GREAT input Respooled........... MUCH appriciated...........
if you think about it ..................... this is as big of a decision as you can make ...... knowing the EXACT afr with boosted car is soooooo key......... this info in this thread is so useful. thanks to all whom participated.
AEM IT IS !!!!!!!!!
I can get one for 300CDN...............
Good deal..... I think so ........
Thanks again !
Lee
JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...
Lee wrote:Respooled2k3 wrote:Ok so today i swapped my aem wideband into my car after ditching the innovate lm-1 lc-1 combo. When my innovate was in it read 11.7 as my a/f most of the time. Now today i used the aem wideband 6 in 1 and my a/f ratios on the same settings as in fuel pressures was dead rich 10:1 most of the time. So i turned down the fuel pressures, adjusted onset fuel pressures. tuned it to 12.3 and it feel much quicker i noticed a large gain in power. The old tune pulled 206hp and 229 ft/lb so im sure i could achieve more power as in 215-225. So i may go back to ams and get another three runs in.
SO what your telling me then, is that the AEM seems to be much more accurate............
if thats the case.... I suggest EVERYONE to dump the LM1..............
because running 10.0.. is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too rich ......... thats the point I'd be watching out for spinning a bearing ..............(oil and gas don't mix well together)
and mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 12.3 ........................ must have haulled ass.................... 12.3 is MINT.........
thanks for the GREAT input Respooled........... MUCH appriciated...........
if you think about it ..................... this is as big of a decision as you can make ...... knowing the EXACT afr with boosted car is soooooo key......... this info in this thread is so useful. thanks to all whom participated.
AEM IT IS !!!!!!!!!
I can get one for 300CDN...............
Good deal..... I think so ........
Thanks again !
Lee
12.3 is not MINT, especially for WOT. 11.5 is "MINT" for WOT. 12.3 is good for idle and partial throttle.
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i think my post was more about the wideband differences i saw but yeah 12:3 is not mint but it was running real nice. Better than the other tune i had before. Making more power. Glad i went aem.
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