Someone want to look in to this more.... I find it.... Startling to say the least...

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Norman Matton Thomas (November 20, 1884 - December 19, 1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. He was ordained as a Presbyterian minister in 1911. As a candidate for President of the U. S. , Norman Thomas said, in a 1944 epoch speech: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism", they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.

With all that is happening with our
"economy" now....... we may be to late for the Soap box, and the Ballet box....

Some of you know what comes next.

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

Yeah, I'm familiar with that. It's spot on. We keep slipping more and more socialist, and the more chaotic our economy makes things, with everyone feeling doom-and-gloom, the more people will willingly accept more and more government "programs" to "fix" the problems, without any care of the consequences.

which is just utterly amazing because i thought it was common sence to know that the goverment runs every program it starts into the ground lol


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I find it comical that people from the EU are standing up and telling US leaders NOT to get into socialized healthcare. Learn from the EU's mistakes.

But will we listen? of course not.

In case anyone here isn't familiar with this, Daniel Hannan, a Brittish Parliament member, nails exactly what is wrong with our country. You could pretty much replace "Mr. Prime Minister" with "Mr. President", and "Brittish" for "American", and it would fit.



I haven't seen it, but apparently when he was on Hannity last week, he made a similar plea for the US to stay away from nationalized healthcare. From someone who has experience with it, it should carry a very heavy weight when they say don't do it.


Edit: I found and watched the interview. Worth watching. Try to ignore the lack of synchronizing with the audio. LOL.







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^^^good stuff there.

a brilliant brit wrote:what made your country great--what made your people strong, and prosperous, and free--was that it was small government, right from the beginning, right form the declaration of independence. there was a distrust of the concentration of power and a confidence in the freedom of the individual.

You must listen to rush limbaugh, hate black people, shake babies, poison chinchillas and be a big polluter to believe anything that is said agains O.B.ama and his team.

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“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart

No, we are just Americans, but not like the "hip" kind most people know of, we are the same kind that Made the Country back in 76.


Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

I just wanted to bump this up because people need to remember the quote.

Thomas was dead on when he said this, and people need to keep it in mind whenever they are hearing about the latest program that congress or the current administration want to pass.

I wish we had people like him in our country............ god we're so screwed...


And I listened to Rush once.... from what I heard he was pretty damn funny.... it was just once though...

i seriously hope my kid doesnt have to live his life with universal healthcare, but just in case i should call the hospital today and schedule an apointment in 2020 in case he needs to see the doctor.


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And the Republicans have a plan for economic success right?



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Rodimus Prime wrote:And the Republicans have a plan for economic success right?

Another winning Rodimus post overflowing with pertinent substance.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And the Republicans have a plan for economic success right?

Strange how there was no "problem" until election 08 came around.....


really strange.

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

A plan for economic success........

I want to see said plan......

Taetsch Z-24 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And the Republicans have a plan for economic success right?

Strange how there was no "problem" until election 08 came around.....


really strange.

Chris

Have you really been paying no attention what so ever?

This is was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off for years - growing larger all the time - and yes, it did start during the Clinton years. It just so happened to go off during this time. It would not ever have mattered in the slightest whom the candidates where nor even if an election was pending.

Its as simple as gasoline + spark = obvious result. There is no conspiracy involved.

Regarding the topic at hand - I don't think we are gonna see your nightmare scenario - at least during this administration. It was during the primary versus Clinton - where all candidates pander to the base in order to get the party nomination - that Obama(who was still behind Clinton) slammed the idea of forcing "universal health care" (a idea that is very popular with the crowd he was supposed to be pandering too) upon all Americans whether they wanted it or not. He rebutted the Clinton "universal health care" plan like this -

Barack Obama wrote:The reason that millions of Americans don't have health care IS NOT because we aren't FORCING THEM to get it. Its because they can't afford it..

His plan is simply to offer everyone the option to sign up for the very health plan he had as a Senator(not automatically provided but electively paid for). People will still be free to choose any plan(or no plan) that they wish. We're just talking about giving people(especially nice for the self employed) just another option - an affordable option at that. The free market will still be free to offer competitive plans - but the competition will just get steeper.

This is NOTHING like universal health care. This is just a bunch of fear mongering over nothing. In other words... status quo.

i do agree obama's healthcare plan is better the hillary's, but my worry is that the implemented plan will change for the worse once its actually implemented, something that normally happens in washington.


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Oh I was paying attention...
My dealership sold 150( at the low end) more GM cars than 07,06,05,04,03....

I got a raise, got a new car, and am getting a house.
Yep down in the dumps.

The only bad thing I saw, was this "we are hurting the environment" crap and a 4.00/Gal, that IN AND OF ITSELF crippled the economy.



Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

Universal government run health care is bad.

Government run anything seems to turn bad... I think the main reason is everyone who works for the government knows they have a really bad chance of being fired. And I'm sure as your years of slacking build up the laziness increases in correlation with how the chance of being fired decrease...

wysiwyg wrote:i would say they bang, they don't really pound so much. but if
you want to bump, then they will bump and hit real hard and a lot good.

LOL

bk3k wrote:Regarding the topic at hand - I don't think we are gonna see your nightmare scenario - at least during this administration. It was during the primary versus Clinton - where all candidates pander to the base in order to get the party nomination - that Obama(who was still behind Clinton) slammed the idea of forcing "universal health care" (a idea that is very popular with the crowd he was supposed to be pandering too) upon all Americans whether they wanted it or not. He rebutted the Clinton "universal health care" plan like this -

Barack Obama wrote:The reason that millions of Americans don't have health care IS NOT because we aren't FORCING THEM to get it. Its because they can't afford it..

His plan is simply to offer everyone the option to sign up for the very health plan he had as a Senator(not automatically provided but electively paid for). People will still be free to choose any plan(or no plan) that they wish. We're just talking about giving people(especially nice for the self employed) just another option - an affordable option at that. The free market will still be free to offer competitive plans - but the competition will just get steeper.

This is NOTHING like universal health care. This is just a bunch of fear mongering over nothing. In other words... status quo.

Actually, while he is trying to sell this as simply offering competition, remember that the government is the only entity that has never had to, or been able to, properly maintain a budget. While private health insurance will still have to do everything they can to keep costs in line, the government plan will just keep pulling it from tax revenue, or printing it, or borrowing it. Sure, it sounds all fine and wonderful on the surface, but the end result is that they will put private companies out of business. A "company" that does not have to work within their budget, will undoubtedly push the others out of the market. This is simply economics of business operations. The end result will be the same: one health care provider. It will take longer, but we will still get there.

Remember, Obama is spectacular at one thing, which is why he rocketed to his position so easily: talking a good game. Just because he makes it sound like he doesn't want it, doesn't mean that is reality. He has repeatedly worded his speaches in ways that allow him to do what he sounds like he's against, while his voters think he's doing great things for us. Perfect example: not raising taxes on the middle class, yet he removes deductions, and wants to raise caps, so that without a rate increase, he gets taxes increased. It's a word game, and the sooner you learn to actually look past the rhetoric, and examine the true syntax of his statements, the better off you will be.

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Barack Obama wrote:

The reason that millions of Americans don't have health care IS NOT because we aren't FORCING THEM to get it. Its because they can't afford it..

glad to see that collage education paid off......



wow


Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

While we are talking about health care BS from the government.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090609/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul

Looks like I will be paying a @!#$ load more in tax if they do pass this. What happened to the democrats being for the working class citizen??? So glad I never bought into that BS line.

WHAT IS so bad about Universal Health care ? LIVING in Canada, I can say that I have no issue with it. Why does this scare you ? Please give me a LOGICAL answer ! Did I fail to mention that I waited for 5 minutes last week to see a doctor ? Do any of you have an sympathy for the millions of Americans without Health Insurance ? IS it no surprise to any of you that the best health care systems in the world are in countries that have universal health care ?


BUT ignore me, and drop the "S-Bomb" it seems to get the simpletons in a rage and on your side.



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Short Hand wrote:IS it no surprise to any of you that the best health care systems in the world are in countries that have universal health care ?

If that were true, people from your country would not come here when they can to get many types of specialty care. In spite of the rhetoric to the contrary, the US has the best quality health care in the world. The people who say otherwise are confusing the percentage of people with insurance with quality of care.

You are the first person I have talked to (or read from) from a country with socialized health care who says they are happy with it. I have heard numerious people from Canada say that it sucks. If you need any type of real care, other than a regular visit, you end up on a waiting list.

The reason these things happen is because when everything is available to everyone, the demand begins to exceed the supply. Especially in this country, where our population is ten times what it is in Canada, and then add on top of that the illegal immigration problem, and there will be a major shortage of care. The government will then be forced to ration it.