I was watching "Real Time" with Bill Maher and man...does he hit the nail right on the head. To top it off he had George Carlin on the show to debate.

The guests were: James Glassman, Cynthia Tucker & George Carlin

I'm basically pasting from the transcript certain parts...

Transcript wrote:
TUCKER: I can't imagine that Rudy Giuliani could have done a single thing without support from the federal government. Ray Nagin—[applause]

GLASSMAN: Maybe he would have had some buses there to evacuate people.

TUCKER: [overlapping] Ray Nagin was in the city. Ray Nagin never left New Orleans. He's in the city begging for help. And help didn't come. We do not expect—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] Ray Nagin was incommunicado for almost three days—

CARLIN: [overlapping] Jim.

GLASSMAN: [overlapping]—because his phones failed. He didn't have a system—

TUCKER: [overlapping] Phones failed in New York, too.

CARLIN: Jim, Jim, Jim.

GLASSMAN: Well, but Rudy Giuliani—

TUCKER: [overlapping] Firefighters couldn't talk to each other in New York—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping]—got to where he needed to go.

MAHER: Okay.

CARLIN: Jim, Jim, calm down. Calm down. [laughter] You began to say – you began a sentence a little while ago with, “It's not a surprise, it shouldn't be a surprise.” It shouldn't be a surprise that rich, white men don't care about poor, black people, period. [applause] [cheers] So they're not high on their list.

GLASSMAN: Oh, that is – that is—

CARLIN: [overlapping] They're not high on their list.

GLASSMAN: George, George—

CARLIN: [overlapping] They're not high—

GLASSMAN: I love you, George, but that's nonsense.

CARLIN: [overlapping] They're not high – I don't care if you love me or not—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] That's nonsense.

CARLIN: [overlapping] They're not high on the conscious or the subconscious lists of those people—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] No, that's nonsense.

CARLIN: [overlapping]—who are in charge of things in this country: the owners. Forget these foolish elections. The owners of this country don't care about the poor, in general.

GLASSMAN: The owners of this country? What are we – is this Karl Marx talking to me? The owners of this country are the voters of this country.

CARLIN: No, no, you're wrong about that, my friend. You're absolutely wrong.

GLASSMAN: Aren't the owners of this country the voters in this country who elected George Bush?

CARLIN: [overlapping] No, no, they're not. Listen, politics – these elections are a charade; they're a charade—[applause] [cheers]

GLASSMAN: Oh, okay.

CARLIN: It is – they are meant to – I'll tell you, listen, just listen for a minute and learn a little something. Elections and politicians are in place in order to give Americans the illusion that they have freedom of choice.

GLASSMAN: Oh.

CARLIN: You don't really have choice in this country. [applause] [cheers]

and here is another section...

Transcript wrote:MAHER: And as long as you brought up the racial issue, I have to tell you, there's a friend of mine who lives in New Orleans, is black, and I wrote down exactly, word for word, what she said, because I think it bears repeating. She said, “After 9/11, I was American. Now I'm back to being black.” And I think among the feathers in George Bush's resume is that I think he has lost a whole generation of black people who might have felt that way after 9/11, and now are like, “You know what? I can't believe I started to buy into that bull@!#$.” [applause] And I think we're going to have to see a generation of black people who were born after the great @!#$-up of 2005, before they start believing in America like they started to after 9/11.

TUCKER: You know, I don't—

GLASSMAN: So, Bill – so, Bill, I just to want to be clear on this. So the point is that George Bush did not care about African Americans in New Orleans?

CARLIN: That's right. That's right.

GLASSMAN: He let them die?

CARLIN: That's right.

GLASSMAN: As opposed to the mayor of New Orleans, who didn't even stock the Super Dome with food, who didn't – who is an African American himself – who didn't provide buses so that people could evacuate. And George W. Bush is, of course, the first president of the United States to appoint an African American as Secretary of State?

CARLIN: Oh, wow, oh my – oh, my-my-my-my-my.

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] And another African American as Secretary of State? [applause]

TUCKER: And they are people much like George Bush in terms of class.

CARLIN: [overlapping] Oh, what credentials.

GLASSMAN: Oh, they are. So then race doesn't matter then?

TUCKER: [overlapping] I don't – I don't – no.

GLASSMAN: It's class that matters.

TUCKER: [overlapping] I think that class—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] Class. We're back to Karl Marx again.

TUCKER: [overlapping]—class and race are inseparable in America. [applause] I think it's impossible—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] There are no poor, white people in America?

TUCKER: [overlapping]—it is impossible to talk about class—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] Go to New Orleans.

TUCKER: [overlapping]—in America, without talking about the fact that the preponderance of black – there are – black people in this country – are still disproportionately poor. It is also impossible to talk about what happened in New Orleans without some white conservatives focusing on the looting, the crime, instead of focusing on the vast majority of poor, black people who were law-abiding, who were frightened themselves. But when many, many white Americans see something like what went on in New Orleans, with a few black criminals getting completely out of control—

Transcript wrote:MAHER: Okay, well, then is it not wrong for the president to issue an ultimatum that there was “zero tolerance” and thereby encourage his right-wing flaks in the liberal media to go ahead and say this gives us license to suggest that we shoot people on sight, as if in the middle of this crisis, where so many people are dying already, what we need to do is shoot “Tyrone” because he's getting out of Circuit City with some soggy tweeters?! [laughter] [applause]

And I think “Tyrone” always had soggy tweeters, quite frankly.

CARLIN: I have an addendum to that. The real looting in this country takes place in the transfer of the wealth from the poor to the rich. I'm sorry that you don't like class and the truth, my friend—[applause]—but you're stuck with it. Class is class—

GLASSMAN: I'm—I'm—

CARLIN: [overlapping]—and the poor have been systematically looted in this country. The rich have been made richer under this criminal, fascist president and his government. [applause] [cheers]

MAHER: Okay, okay.

GLASSMAN: You know, George – George, I think you know – do you know what fascism is?

CARLIN: Fascism, when it comes to America—

GLASSMAN: You know what fascism is?

CARLIN: It will not wear—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping]—Do you know what Nazis are?

CARLIN: [overlapping]—it will not wear – no, sir, wait a second—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] Do you know what Nazis are? Do you know what fascists are?

CARLIN: [overlapping] When fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and Smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. [laughter] Fascism – Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend.

MAHER: And actually, fascism is when corporations become the government.

CARLIN: Yes.

MAHER: And that's sort of what we have. [applause] And poverty has gone up 17—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] So let me get this straight. George, you think that looting is – is looting okay if there's no – if there's no hurricane?

CARLIN: First of all, property—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] Could you break into tweeters whenever you want?

MAHER: No, but – but we're talking about—

CARLIN: I have no problem with theft. May I be honest with you?

GLASSMAN: No problem with theft? [laughter]

CARLIN: I have no problem with theft. It's true.

MAHER: But wait a second. We're talking – we're not saying – you know, this reminds me of the O.J. situation. It wasn't that O.J. was innocent. We all knew he killed his wife. [laughter] Okay, it's not that looting is good. We all know looting is bad. It's the priorities. It's the fact that white people obsessed on one black guy getting away with a crime once, when it had worked in reverse a billion times more! The same way they're obsessing about a few people getting away in the middle of this much bigger crisis. It's a matter of what's proportional. I think that's what we're saying about looting. No one is defending looting.

GLASSMAN: Well, George is defending looting. But—

CARLIN: [overlapping] I have no – I have no stake in it. I have no stake in the outcome. [laughter]

GLASSMAN: I think – I think one of the things that happened in New Orleans was something that I think every American should fear in similar circumstances. Anybody who went through, let's say, the blackout in New York, understands this, which is a breakdown in order. That's something that you need to fear. The idea of mobs, whatever their race is, coming down to your neighborhood, banging down your door, stealing what you have, whether you stole it from the poor or not – which I think is nonsense – this is something to worry about. It is something serious that we should worry about—[applause]—a breakdown in order. And that's what happened in New Orleans.

TUCKER: [overlapping] And, Jim, that is – that is not—

GLASSMAN: [overlapping] I can tell you that because I have friends who underwent it.

TUCKER: [overlapping] That is not what happened.

GLASSMAN: Oh, it is.

TUCKER: In New Orleans. There is—

GLASSMAN: Read The New Yorker magazine this week.

TUCKER: There is a lot—

GLASSMAN: It is what happened in New Orleans.

TUCKER: Jim, there were so many—

GLASSMAN: Armed gangs.

CARLIN: Let her speak.

TUCKER: --rumors. There were so many rumors about riots in shelters in Baton Rouge, about rapes of small children. Even the police chief in Baton Rouge was moved to stand up and tell his citizens, who were frightened to death; they are standing three hours in line in front of a gun shop to buy guns because “those thugs from New Orleans are now in our city” – it didn't happen. Much of what you believe happened didn't happen. But once you see – once many white people see a few, a very few black men who are lawless, then the entire country is under attack.

I basically thought that everyone made good points but what George said really stuck out to me. I think he is one of few people who can actually grasp what's going on in America, put everything into perspective and think outside the box. I just wanted to share this for the people who didn't watch this past episode.



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Carlin for president

its just that simple


Although I think he'd turn down the job if he were given the opportunity

TheFlyingSquirrel (PJ) wrote:Carlin for president

its just that simple


Although I think he'd turn down the job if he were given the opportunity

I'm tellin ya man....I'll see him on HBO or whatnot and say "Damn that guy has got his @!#$ together"

THough many many folks will say he's wrong..but damn...


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im a @!#$ pussy ass liar! i lied to my girlfriend over and over, sat around with her friends naked and stayed home downloading porn...she loved me and i hurt her...i deserve to be alone and unhappy...no wonder every girl i try to love leaves me...i suck.

Hah ditto?


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Comics usually have a very, very, VERY good read on the idiocy and hypocrisy of the World's situation.

If you look in history, Court Jesters could make utter asses of king and court, and it was funny because it was roundly true. Again, you shouldn't go lock step with what one person says, but a comiuc will usually add dimension to show how absurd a situation is.

This, and given that Carlin is creeping up on his 70's, he's seen a lot of this stuff before... politically, we're still in the Nixon era.



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goerge carlin is the @!#$ ! ! ! ! made some good points



happy happy joy joy

right @!#$ on



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Bill Maher has more of a straight head than I used to think in previous years...



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Bill Maher was more on track then Carlon was. He came off like an ass last night.
True the govt. screwed up HUGE no doubt. But dont forget the local and state agencies are up at bat first THEN the feds. Not the other way around. There are Sooo
many things I look forward to getting into about the whole Carlon debacal about unfortunatly I'm at work right now and can't so it'll just have to wait till I get home for more of my take on this.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Bill Maher is a good comic, but he's even better as a political commentator, he's not getting cash from either party, and he's pretty much a straight shot no matter what.

Carlin is on his own path politically, but you are going to have a hard time of arguing his logic and the facts.

If you want to get into it, look at the Bad American post, and realise that corporations are in effect taking money out of your pocket, TWICE (once for the actual product, and again because they're paying nothing close to their actual tax burden... equalisation of tax burdens would be the greatest stimulant to the economy ever).



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Gam I fully agree with tax equalization 100% The only problem I had with Carlons apearence was his attitude toward the other guests. He can make fun of the pres. all he wants but its ignorant as hell when someone else is speeking to constantly keep yelling over them and interupting them. Being a comedian does not give him a licence to be an ass on national T.V. Bill Maher would at least let the the man finish speeking before he'd cut him to shreads. No Carlon just acted like an ass plain and simple.
Blaming the govt. for letting the poor black people drown while they sat back and did nothing. Trying to make this a issue of race instead of what it really was, a horrible natural disaster that was handled so poorly that I believe the intire world could use it as an example of how NOT to do things. Did Bush f--k up? Yes, he f--ked up in appointing a man that didn't know squat about how emergencies need to be handled. Did the local govt. f--k up as well? HELL yes they did! They had days of advanced notice and did anyone in local govt. do anything at all? NO they didn't stock up on supplies they didn't order mandentory evacuations till too late they didn't enforce the evacuations either till a week after the flood. How is that Bushes fault? I believe theres more then enough blame to go around reps and dems alike BOTH screwed the pooch big time and people died. Its a horrible shame but perhaps next time someone says evacuate maybe those who thought they'd be ok will actualy leave like they were told to. Then perhaps the amount of cost in human lives which is incalculable would be far less.
But to dump this all on Bush is Dont forget theres a mayor and a govonor who didn't do near enough either. So go ahead re-call Bush but don't stop there nail the mayor and the govonor and everyone on there staffs cause they didn't do s--t either till it was way too late. Then all the bitching in the world will do no good to those who died
and whos fault would that have been?




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

In regards to what was being said, Carlin was interrupted at least as many times as the others, and in the last bit he hushed another commentator in order to allow someone else to say their piece. Also, to be fair, you don't have the full text of what was being said the whole episode.

If you also notice, Glassman was most usually first in trying to talk over Carlin or Tucker, or introduce a topic that was not germaine before Carlin could finish.

It's what happens when you have a group of people and no clear way to define when one finishes their speaking time. The only thing that the guests have to abide is when Maher calls for a commercial break, or when he steers the conversation back on topic. It's called a furball for a reason. It's also the kind of forum that I love because people that are the least bit shakey on their principles and history and those that can't think on their feet generally eat their own shoe leather.




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No I wasn't just going off the transcript I watched it thats why I said what I did. I didn't hear any other guests going "Pft" Or sighing deeply . And yes Gam I do believe he did do the majority of the interupting and hes also the one who KEPT constantly trying to make it a racial issue instead or a horrible disaster that happened to everyone. All he wanted to talk about is how the big white owners of this counrty want to subjagate the poor black man whenever they can and if it means drowning them then hey way not.
And when he refereced Bushes mom saying theat now that all these people have come to Texas they are wanting to stay here And how that ment black people. Now I'm sorry but I didn't hear s--t that would make me think she was talking about black people
other then when Carlon said it. So it would seem to me HES the one with race issues not Bushes mom. He was just trying to get applause from the crowd and stire s--t up
The few valid points he did make where so out weighed but the wild accusations he was makeing that I think he mad himself look like an ass on T.V. If you disagree thats fine but from where I was sitting he mad himself look rediculos.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

jackalope, I watched it as well...I don't know to me he seemed pretty quiet and tame to me. He really didn't open his mouth too much but also let the other guy speak.



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/\ /\ /\ He was quiet most of the time untill that other dude whoever he was would say anything as to other people being to blame other then the pres. Thats when Carlon would interject his 2 cents. And God forbid a democrat may have some responcibility
oh heavens no not the wonderful people loveing democrats!

And I'd still LOVE to know how Carlon came to conclusions about race being the reason the govt. did't help.

The second thing I'd dearly LOVE to know is how him came to the conclusion the the American people do not elect anyone. And again he came back to the issue of race
saying that the white establishment of old man actualy rule this country.

I think George Carlon is a H U G E raceist. Just listening to how everything came down to the white man trying to keep the black man down. I'm not sure if he's aware
of the this fact but HE IS AN OLD WHITE MAN !!!! and hes a wealthy old white man at that. So by HIS logic hes oppressing the black race.

Funny comedian, Idiot comentator.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

If He's a racist, it's the first I've heard of it, but then again, not a lot of white comics would sell out Temple University or the Apollo and play to a 75% black crowd and get laughs.

If you want to know why he said the American people didn't elect anyone is because, well, only 25% of Americans actually voted for Bush. Before you get in a huff, here's the scoop: 50.3% of possible voters (ie, registered, residents/non-residents, not including aliens) actually voted. 51% of them that voted voted for Bush. The other 75% who either didn't want a neo-con in office, or really didn't give a damn either way about who go into office because it's the opposite side of the same coin, and they're going to get rooked one way or the other because once they're in they have free reign; did NOT vote. For what ever reason (I'm not going to discount laziness, but it's entirely possible, and no, not JUST on the part of voters either), that 75% doesn't give a damn enough to do something about what's happening because they either think they can't do enough to make a difference, or, they're so disillusioned that one way or the other, they're still going to get hooped by the upper 1%.

Seriously, I don't think Carlin is that far out of touch, he's not getting wrapped up in the incidentals. Take a look at what he's been saying about Bush, and apply that same criticsm to Clinton, George HW Bush, Regan, Ford, Nixon, and even (if you have ever seen footage of the comedy back then) LBJ. The Difference was Carter, and while I can't speak for Carlin specifically (as I remember, the effects of his cocaine addiction were coming to the forefront not only in his personal life but in his comedy as well), his comedy was only a little biting towards Carter for whatever reason, maybe because of the fall out of Vietnam, who knows...

Either way, from what I've seen of his commentary, on the political furballs (Bill Maher loves him because of his way to put the political ideals into comic perspective, but uses him in limited doses), and his comedy, he's been pretty caustic in regards to most every president because, simply, they're all born to at least middle-class priveledge, they all have never experienced true poverty, and they simply do not have that perspective. They also have all (with few notable exceptions) been instrumental in pearing back the middle class to create a smaller and more intensely powerful upper class, and a greater lower class. It's been happening since the mid 60's.



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I didn't register to vote because I felt neither one of the candidates were worth voting for. Even though Bush is my boss.

i saw Carlin live 2 years ago, (used to laugh my ass off at him 25 years ago,) didnt laugh once , his bits are old and tired, damaged goods. i think he hates everything equally.

I'll go for that hes an equal opertunity hater. Hey Gam I could care less about him hating on Bush but what I was refering to was his attack on all white people in general
about how were all just trying to keep a brother down. Hes an ass and its s--t like hes spewing that just causes hard feelings and more prejedice ( spelling ) I don't know why hes not performing for black panther rallies.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Well, I don't think it's a racial thing personally, but class warfare. The sad thing is that most blacks are in the lower and middle classes, and the upper class is mainly WASP.

Then again, I don't agree with everything he's been saying either, I think a lot of it is damned funny though.




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Kyle: not to make it contentious, but are you sure you're not the one that changed?



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oh i changed all right, Carlin has too though, hes gone from comical to belligerant, his stand up act was weak, noone was laughing. his act was no different than your average pissed off drunk on a barstool. i was let down and wished i had saved the 60 bucks spent on tickets, and just sat next to a broke drunk guy. i've bought all his books, and the last one i threw out 1/4 way thru, dont even remember the title. sad demise of a true comic legend.

It's funny though...even with an entertainment industry and general news media that swings mostly to the left, half of the voters still went for Bush...twice. One might think that with such a pervasive daily influence in our lives, that it would be nearly impossible to keep 50% or more of the voters from being swayed to the left.

Kinda makes one wonder how the voting might go if we had an unbiased, or (dare I even suggest it!) right-leaning media and entertainment industry...

Yet, many of the so-called 'privileged moneymakers' (you know, the ones who are rewarded the most by the current administration's tax policies) are making the bucks in the media and entertainment industries. Makes me wonder just how much THEY are giving back to the causes that their 'spokesmen' champion so vociferously. And the 'product' they 'produce' isn't even tangible goods! But the money keeps rolling in.

And guess where the largest segment of their income is? Yessir...the poor and middle class, for rich people pay less attention to TV, movies, and the media, and make less purchase decisions based upon it, than any other group.

Carlin's another old hippie who's made a career of making money through prostituting leftist causes. After doing it for 40 years, he's probably even convinced himself he's a true liberal conduit to the public, but I bet his actual altruism versus income would belie this theory!