Add Illinois to the list. That's right, the NCAA is trying to get the Fighting Illini to change their name. A columnist gives his opinion
here. Granted, it is an opinionated piece (but then again, most are), but it still brings up an interesting question.
Why? With all the hoopla over team mascots/names (I'm sure everyone remembers the redskins/chiefs/etc. debate a few years back, and more recently the deal with the seminoles) lately, it seems to me that we should just rename every team to something like "San Francisco little fluffy bunnies" to avoid offending someone. But then again, little fluffy bunnies are probably offensive to someone...maybe just one person. Because of that, the name should be changed.
We all know that the fans of the teams that are under fire because of offensive names and/or mascots don't want anything changed. So who is behind the scenes lobbying to make the changes? Other fans of rival teams? More than likely it's a bunch of whiners who don't even watch sports, don't follow team and school history, and only want the name changed because it'll make him/her feel better about themselves in the morning.
So...should schools or pro teams be forced to change their names...their history, simply because a group of people find it offensive? I realize that some pro teams have changed because of new ownership, or ownership change of mind...but that's different. Those changes aren't being forced by an outside hand.
Would your opinion change based on the group that wants it changed? In other words, if a large group of florida native americans found "seminoles" offensive, would you be more apt to be behind them rather than a group of random people that have no connection to the name "seminole" or to the school/team in question?
Just thought it might be an interesting topic.
Article on the seminole thing
So...are you with the FSU Seminoles on this case, because the actual seminole tribe backs up FSU? Or with the NCAA? Would you be behind FSU if the seminole tribe did
not back up FSU?
None. There sports teams and since all sports are nothing but games why get upset over a game? What are we like 5 yr olds now?
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it depends...
The Redskins, yes, i could see that as a derogatory term--it would be like calling a team "Chicago Wops", "Atlanta Whitetrash", or "The Seattle Granola-heads"
The rest, though, i don't see an issue with
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I'd be more apt to support Florida Native Americans than a bunch of whiners with no connection to the name. It is just sports so who gives a @!#$ what they call their teams. @!#$ Politically Correctness!
That is not ofensiveness its political correctness. Of which I can not stand. Lifes a bitch get used to it. Or is you prefer lifes ruff where a helmet. Why should I change what I want to do, say, think, or act like just because you may not like it? Do I demand
people change for me? No I do not. So why then should i be forced to chage for you?
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jackalope wrote:None. There sports teams and since all sports are nothing but games why get upset over a game? What are we like 5 yr olds now?
People aren't up[set about the nature of the event.. Sports or not, the fact is that terms like "Redskin" are being broadcast all over the world and children are picking up the terms and using them.
Sometimes you have to back up a bit to see the big picture. Seems trivial until you consider the millions of impressionable viewers, then it's not so small is it?
PAX
Ok.
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my view....its BS.
we should change all team names to all the most racial and ethnic slurs available, and really give am a reason to complain...
even if you changed it to the "chicago butterflies" someone will say it supports gay rights...
you can take the most innocent of terms and someone will find something wrong with it.
I don't necessarly think the names should be changed. I was only explaining why people get upset at something that may seem trivial on the surface.
In reality the names have been around so long, changing them would have a negative economic impact on certain communities and there would likely be a backlash against the offended groups by the sports fans.
Personally, I wish people were a little more thick skinned.. Of course a greater level of tolerence is required as well.
PAX
Kids learn about hate from what mom and dad say not sporting teams names. Give me a break! Do you know the first time I knew what racism was? The 1st grade when a little black boy I didn't know called ma a honky. Why because his daddy was an ignorant piece of racist trash and so was his momma. Not because of a sports teams name. Thats just a touchy feely cop out. If you don't like something out there too bad
who do you think you are to make everyone around you change? You are noone special
just becasue your dad always called you son does not mean your the center of the universe. Sit down shut your mouth and mind your own business. If you don't like the teams name then fine don't support them its that easy.
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being pc is for pansies.
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jackalope wrote:Kids learn about hate from what mom and dad say not sporting teams names. Give me a break! Do you know the first time I knew what racism was? The 1st grade when a little black boy I didn't know called ma a honky. Why because his daddy was an ignorant piece of racist trash and so was his momma. Not because of a sports teams name. Thats just a touchy feely cop out. If you don't like something out there too bad
who do you think you are to make everyone around you change? You are noone special
just becasue your dad always called you son does not mean your the center of the universe. Sit down shut your mouth and mind your own business. If you don't like the teams name then fine don't support them its that easy.
Who was that directed at? Not me I hope, because that would be proof that you can't read. I said I didn't think team names should change, I said people need to be more understanding. Context is important.
PAX
Not you directly. Just anyone who thinks we should change the teams name so noones feelings get hurt. I guess you could say I just had to rant a little, hey I'm allowed to.
Pax be nice I never said anything mean to you.
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PAX is an expression, not a name..
I thought you were supporting the cable channel...my bad.
Oops...
anyhow.
For a name like "Redskins" i can understand--it's a small step away from calling them "Injuns". Or calling a team, and i quote, "Niggers", "Honkeys", "White Trash", "Wetbacks", et al.
But in the case of the Seminoles, and the Illini, where's the disgrace of a team taking the name of your nation?
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this is uber ghey. most indian tribes think its an honor to be named by a college. my college used to be the eastern hurons and now we're the eagles. totally lame. next thing you know PETA will be bitching about animals and sports teams wont be able to be named after them either.
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People aren't upset about the nature of the event.. Sports or not, the fact is that terms like "Redskin" are being broadcast all over the world and children are picking up the terms and using them.
But, is a word still considered offensive, if the original meaning is taken out, and replaced with another??? I'm willing to bet very few 5 year olds know that "redskin" was originally a derogratory term used towards native Americans. They know it's associated with native Americans, but not in a bad way.
I find it hillarious how these groups get their panties in a twist over the "Indians" teams as well, since most native Americans prefer to associate and identify themselves as "Native Americans", and not the geographically incorrect "Indians." Yet somehow, these protest groups feel a bit better since they think that they are protecting the rights of others, when in reality they are trampling the rights of others.
And yet, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan, and I absolutely love it when the Cowboys smash the Redskins.
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Maybe rather than worry about a sports team name they look into finding a job and a life.
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It really should be done on a case by case basis. I'm with the Seminoles, the real Tribe here in Florida.
Seminoles are the only unconquered indian band in the USA.
Redskins, I don't doubt it'd piss someone off.
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Does anyone remember what the old nick name of St. John's University in New York? Probably not, because they were never really in the National spotlight, they used to be the St. Johns Red Men, but someone found it offensive and they had to change it, now it's the St. Johns Red Storm. Now I can see where Red Men is offensive, but you lose the team's identity when you change the name. People that didn't follow the Big East didn't notice the difference, but I find myself asking all the time who the Red Storm are when Providence College plays them even to this day, and it's been nearly a decade since St. Johns changed their name.
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I find the name cowboys offensive change it right now. It should be Large bovine animal people. Cow is a deogatory name for those poor overweight people who were forced into odesity by the horrible fast food industry in this country. And boy.. this is bad on so many levels I dont know where to start. Are you refering to calling African American men boys like what was done in the south during the time of the civil war?
Or are you being ofensive towards women as a minority? By excludeing them in the name Cowboy? Either way this is a horrible name for a sporting team. Change in immedetly.
The detroit Pistons is also offensive. It belittles the rotory engine and all who support it and love there Mazdas. Please change this right away to something less ofensive like the detroit vehicle parts. This should be exceptable unless someone is offended by vehicles or parts. Then it should be changed again.
This is the kinda crap this pc s--t is gonna bring us. If its ofensive to anyone we need to bend right over and kiss there ass. WRONG they need to deal with it. The world is not here to make you feel good. Grow up and stop acting like a spoiled little mommas boy. These types of people where I'm from are refered to as a little bitch. Do you want to be a little bitch? Keep it up your getting closer to it.
DISCLAIMER......... This rant is not directed at any one person here. Nor any number of people here. It is however directed towards those who can not act like an adult. The
world is a cold hard place get used to it. There are much worse things out there to worry about then a stupid name of a sports team.
If this rant has in any way offended or hurt your feelings TOUGH S--T ! You are well on your way to becoming a little bitch.
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most of the people complaining about the sports teams names are native american groups. personally i think weve paid our debt to them, and they need to get over it and get lives.
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