It's annoying but companies need to get their product out there.
Quote:
Should they have to let people know they are being advertised too?
If people are too stupid to realize they're being advertised too than maybe they shouldn't have money or the power of the household to buy products for the household.
What I find really annoying is all the product placing in video games lately for instance I have Nascar CFTC 2005 and it is littered with ads, I'm not talking about cars or tracks either, I'd rather look at a historical moment in Nascar history than a @!#$ Dodge ad while I'm waiting for the game to load.
Don't care one way or the other. Besides when I'm in line reading it gives me something to do.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
spikej wrote:It's annoying but companies need to get their product out there.
Quote:
Should they have to let people know they are being advertised too?
If people are too stupid to realize they're being advertised too than maybe they shouldn't have money or the power of the household to buy products for the household.
What I find really annoying is all the product placing in video games lately for instance I have Nascar CFTC 2005 and it is littered with ads, I'm not talking about cars or tracks either, I'd rather look at a historical moment in Nascar history than a @!#$ Dodge ad while I'm waiting for the game to load.
I realize you said "I'm not talking about the cars or tracks", but still.... dang... NASCAR fans have to be THEE most advertised-to group there is. Ads are EVERYWHERE! That's probably why there are so many ads in the game, the publisher knows they can mostly get away with it.
---
Niceguy4186 wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/28/apontv.productplacement.ap/index.html
Just curious on what everybody's feelings on product placement is. Should they have to let people know they are being advertised too?
You know, the more advertising there is, the less you actually see it. How often have you browsed the web and just didn't notice ANY ads while doing it, even though they were there? You become ad blind, and it's a troubling problem for ad agencies (well...at least in their view
)
I guess thats why people are auctioning off their foreheads as ad space these days...it's unique
Ref:
http://www.goldenpalaceevents.com/auctions/foreheadgoldie01.php
---
Media literacy for NASCAR fans is like bicycles for birds.
I'm actually pissed that the Ontario Government has ruled out Media Literacy as part of the new curriculum...
I think product placement is fine and dandy... I mean, some of the stuff was silly on screen, but some of it is going too far.. I mean, given the NASCAR game, NFSU, etc. and there are ads for every damned thing out there. It's not a big deal, I usually tune things out if I see its an ad... the only thing I get royally pissed at is when Ford/Chrysler etc. buys an hour or 90mins of time, bills it as something innocuous and about 5 mins in, you find out its an infomercial. I didn't mind it when it was Pontiac for the first time, but after that, I got bored of it.
I'm wondering when the days of Minority Report come upon us and we're scanned on the way inside a building/mass transport etc, and we get targeted ads at us personally, and they get to track our movements, and what ads we look at.
When that happens, I'll happily move to the country and live like a hermit... I barely use my television now.. there's nothing worth watching except a movie now and then.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
theres nothing wrong with ads like that. its the same thing that they do in the movies.....every product has been specifically placed there for you to see. so why not tv? if you dont like it, dont watch the program. thatll give the tv execs the message.
people who bought TiVOs to get rid of commercials had to listen to commercials to know about the TiVO... how's that for irony?
Television isn't cheap... stations have to make money somehow. i for one am willing to see product placements in shows as long as it keeps the commercial count down.
i watch Monster House on Discovery... and in every show, Steve says "Monster house uses Mr. Clean products". then, when they are cleaning up, there's a guy that looks like Mr. Clean standing there. kinda funny in a stupid way... as for other stuff like someone drinking a pepsi on a show i just chalk up to "who the hell cares".
walk into a grocery store... talk about ads all around and product placement.
Companies spend millions and millions on advertisements for one simple reason, it is effective.
Most people don't realize how much advertising influences what they buy. Do you drink coke or Pepsi? Why not Sam’s cola or some other generic cola that is much cheaper? I'm sure in a blind taste test, most people couldn't tell the difference.
I don't feel that companies should be allowed to advertise to you without you knowing it. I don't want to be influenced without me knowing it.
For all of you who say that that they don't care, or "If people are too stupid to realize they're being advertised too than maybe they shouldn't have money or the power of the household to buy products for the household." How do you feel about subliminal advertising? Say a movie theater spices in a few frames of pop and popcorn during a movie to temp people to go into the lobby and buy some.
Promise that forever we will never get better at growing up and learning to lie
That was done in the 50's, and it was explicitly outlawed then too. (spliced in/ghosted frames, low-level audio splices/overdubs etc)
If it's going to be there, it has to be clear, forthright and unmistakeable. it might as well be, in the 50's when "Eat popcorn and Drink Coca Cola" was ghosted into a few films during really exciting scenes in preparation for the dull ones (where people could go out and get concession) at least as many people bought root-beer or other drinks, and candy as did what the subliminal message said, who can say whether those that went out were influenced by the push or what...
The only thing that can be said is that Popcorn and Coke sales in the theatres that showed the push were roughly doubled during the times when movies were on.
I say I don't care about it, mainly because I'm not open to hypnotic suggestion (I've had it tried before, and I suck as a subject.... If you're a hypnotist performer).
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
Quote:
Most people don't realize how much advertising influences what they buy. Do you drink coke or Pepsi? Why not Sam’s cola or some other generic cola that is much cheaper? I'm sure in a blind taste test, most people couldn't tell the difference.
I can but then again I have a heightened sense of taste and smell. I only eat and drink what tastes good to me not what is advertised to me. Family has a lot to do with what you buy as well for instance I only use Castrol oil in my cars, my dad and Grandpa have used it for decades as well so I usually don't buy any other brand unless I can't find a 5 quart jug since they are a heck of alot cheaper to buy than the single quarts.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:That was done in the 50's, and it was explicitly outlawed then too. (spliced in/ghosted frames, low-level audio splices/overdubs etc)
If it's going to be there, it has to be clear, forthright and unmistakeable. it might as well be, in the 50's when "Eat popcorn and Drink Coca Cola" was ghosted into a few films during really exciting scenes in preparation for the dull ones (where people could go out and get concession) at least as many people bought root-beer or other drinks, and candy as did what the subliminal message said, who can say whether those that went out were influenced by the push or what...
The only thing that can be said is that Popcorn and Coke sales in the theatres that showed the push were roughly doubled during the times when movies were on.
I say I don't care about it, mainly because I'm not open to hypnotic suggestion (I've had it tried before, and I suck as a subject.... If you're a hypnotist performer).
That is the point i was trying to make, as with the popcorn, a lot of the product placements are marketed to the viewer without them realizing it. As the article pointed out, there is a law that requires disclosing, but the networks get around it by flashing "promotional consideration" at the end credits.
I really don't have a problem when it's obvous, but when they pay to have a pepsi bottle sitting on a desk, people don't know they are being advertized too....
And skikej, yes some people can tell the difference with that and certain foods, or they do it because it has always been in the family. but you would be surpised at how many people buy and like the more expensive name brand items, just because it is a name brand. It can be chemically identical, cost twice the price, but still a leading seller.
Granted not all people are like this, but a large majority are.
Promise that forever we will never get better at growing up and learning to lie
I'm usually blind to them because i really don't care about anything except the bottom line and quality from my own past experience...
So i could care less about the palcements because they're obviously targeted at people with an intellect below mine who are mesmerized by flashy graphics and devopid of content (managers and executives and those that aspire to be them).
However, what pisses me off like mad is when you buy a DVD of a movie--when you are PAYING the studio, the actors, the store, and everyone for the right to view their finished masterpiece, where you have to sit through and watch the previews AND can't skip through them BEFORE you see the damned movie you bought.
that's false advertising. i bought Weird science because it was labelled werird science and i wanted to watch weird science. i did not need to see the advertisements fot sixteen candles, fast times at ridgemont high, and other 80's movies that i can't skip through in order to watch weird science, nor was that labelled on the box.
By that logic, i can sell someone a rotor for their car and include a giant turd in the box
Goodbye Callisto & Skađi, Hello Ishara:
2022 Kia Stinger GT2 AWD
The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Actually, by that logic, you could sell them a rotor, and include a shrink wrapping with an ad for the Pads too... Or, sell a can of metamucil and include said turd.
As for people getting bent about the inclusion of products in movies/tv shows etc... Advertising is like flipping the bird at someone when their back is turned: you know it's there, but you can chose to ignore it.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
oh no, i saw a billboard with an advertisement on my way to work today. i saw an ad in the newspaper that was sitting on a table in the break room when i had dinner. i saw a bumper sticker for something on my way home. i saw a sign up for a towing company in my apartment's parking lot. there's ads on this site.
face it, advertisements are EVERYWHERE. why does it surprise you that they are starting to show up on tv shows? like GAM said, you can choose to ignore them, just like every other ad you've ever ignored in your life thus far.
thank god (or whatever you believe in, if anything) that advertisements havn't found themselves onto the insides of your eyelids. but that's probably not too far away yet either.
I read about a plan to put active content on eye-glasses. imagine that while driving!
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
niceguy: you brought up subliminal advertising? that is a definite NO NO. i dont care to have product placement all throughout a movie or tv show. if it gets to the point that its affecting the story, etc, then something will be done about it. but as long as they are showing what they are doing then thats great. subliminal advertising i am dead set against. you cant fight what you cant see...and you cant choose to ignore it if you dont know youre receiving it.
The difference, GAM, is that in the rotor argument, i can just instantly throw the ad away and never have to see it again.
the DVD's do it so that you HAVE to watch them. Why i gave the turd argument, because that @!#$ will be smeared all over the rotor and get all nice and hot and reek the bejesus out of your car until you replace it.
Goodbye Callisto & Skađi, Hello Ishara:
2022 Kia Stinger GT2 AWD
The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Okay.. okay.. Stamp an advert into the rotor hat.
And, doesn't your DVD player have a Disc Menu button? I've had 6, and they all had them (even in 1997).
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
Yes, but some of the DVD's won't let you bypass the intros. I've tried. the menus are greyed out untiil the ads finish.
it's only a couple, but like ex-lax, it irritates the @!#$ out of me.
Goodbye Callisto & Skađi, Hello Ishara:
2022 Kia Stinger GT2 AWD
The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
i know a lot of DVD's that i've had that have ads in the beginning that you can't skip through, you can still fast forward through. doesn't take long to bypass them when the disc is running at 20x speed.
Still, it doesn't matter, do you want to have to hit fast forward to see the movie you wanted to see?
Nope. No one does.
The way i figure is this: There should be the option to skip the ads. After all, you paid for the movie, not the ads.
But at least with DVD shrink i can edit that out
Goodbye Callisto & Skađi, Hello Ishara:
2022 Kia Stinger GT2 AWD
The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
I take marketing in college.. basicly everything is an adverstisement in this world.. its crazy. During a normal day you are exposed to more than 3000+ advertisements. Ex. driving, seeing billboards, sitting behind a car looking at the badges (Chevy, Ford, etc). Advertising is very effective but it has to be choosen to the specific target market. For example beer won't be advertised during the weekday, it will most likely be advertised in the evening or during a game when the target market is watching. Even watching a movie you see cars on the road and you see ads from stores/products in the scenes.
I could care less about product placement in shows, that's been going on forever, its just when advertising starts to take the place of what you're trying to watch, that's what ticks me off. I was listening to a MLB game yesterday, and every thing that happened on the field was "brought to you by ...." The first pitch, the batter's box, the pitcher's mound, everything had a promo tagged onto it. O, and btw about the individual targeted advertsing what do you think those "discount" cards at the grocery store are for...
<img src="http://www.geocities.com/fudd_22602/elmer-shoot.gif"> Old school Js rock
Same thing that the Rating Cards at casinos are for... they want to know your gaming habits.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
