Just asking because Iran said they can and WILL repel any attack against its country after George Bush said he would use military action against Iran. Bush claims they're building secret nuclear weopons and weopons programs.. I certainly hope we dont jump right back into another war.. That'll be too much for us I think. What's your thoughts? <br>
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Difference between Iraq and Iran...
Iraq said they were looking to build them,
Iran already has the technology.
There's a HUGE difference in dealing with a suspected nuclear power and a known nuclear power... If you need any clarification: Look at the soft touch (but tough words) Bush uses against North Korea... what's been done? Jack S**t.
Want another s'plainin? Pakistan... They've been PROVEN over and over again to have been trafficking Nuclear weapons components to rogue nations, and what's been done? Jack S**t. They're outside the NNPT and related treaties, and they're all of a sudden best buddies with Curious George.. apparently they're with you and Ag'in you.
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A guy that Good Morning America or one of the other morning news shows was interveiwing a few weeks ago said there are already covert operations going on to find military targets for an air strike if it's necessary. I hope it gets settled diplomatically, we don't need another @!#$ war.
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Yup, I heard there are segret agents in Iran already looking for evidence. I agree JinxedZ, Iran isn't messin around.. They got some hot $hit goin on right now.. Just look at some pictures in yahoo news today.. I bet they have been using the US distraction in the war we have going on right now to their advantage. <br>
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yea, but pakistan will only use them against india, and vice versa.... <br>
I think that before 2006 rolls around either the US or Israel will launch air strikes aganist Iran's nuclear sites.
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EastCoastBeast II wrote:yea, but pakistan will only use them against india, and vice versa....
Think so?
Willing to bet your brothers in arms' lives on that?
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i'm pretty sure Iran is up there on the "countries to conquer" list, but pakistan has been rather helpful in rooting out al-queda these past few years. Oh, keeping in mind the situation between pakistan and india, i'm sure that if pakistan is going to nuke anyone, it'd be india first... <br>
Iran is gearing up because it was clear a few years ago that they were on the hit list, along with syria, and Saudi. The problem is the US just can't afford it. The only way the US could make open war with Iran would be to reduce (in a big way) the forces in Iraq. I think right now they will be looking to make covert tactical strikes against specific nuclear facilities (that actually do exist this time). Perhaps they will have Isreal do it, that worked well last time, or they will do it in a way that the evidence points somewhere else, or something. They cannot afford open war, but they seem pretty convinced of two things. One that Iran has the facilities they asked and recived permission for, but are using them to produce weapons. Iran asked to build facilities to produce electric power, and recived permission BUT they are not to produce weapons grade matter, or any other weapon component related to the detonation of such material. Two, that Iraq is a credible threat to US interests. They must believe this otherwise such an enormous gamble would not be taken. The espionage must be complete or very nearly completed if Bush spoke of it in public. The wheels must already be in motion. They could be the wheels of a propaganda machine though too. He could be trying to scare them into a mistake.
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"Two, that Iraq is a credible threat to US interests."
should read.. "Two, that Iran is a credible threat to US interests."
The US, if pushed, has the capability to bomb xx country into oblivion... as far as military vs military, the US is the most dominant force on earth vs any nation. <br>
Military vs. Military, if at peace and not deployed to its limit somewhere else, the US could take on almost any military on the planet and win. If other countries stay out, and you are not talking about China, that is likely true. That isn't how it works though.
The US is stretched right now. You need another 100 000 troops on the ground in Iraq in order to gain real control there and get it stablized. The US cannot pull out of Iraq until it is stablized or there will be an uprising against the US, first there, then abroad.
Bombing whatever country into oblivion would involve using weapons that if deployed would have the entire globe turn against the US, so that isn't an option. Isn't it great to have a gun that you can never pull the trigger on?
If the US was to invade Iran today, where would they get the troops? See the US has the most power military but it is achieved through technology. Unfortunately, proper open ground wars require occupying force, numbers. You just don't have the numbers. You would have to draft, and that seems pretty unpopular right now.
How many soldiers are available for combat outside of Iraq right now? How would further deployments leave the homefront?
China has a standing army of over 300 million infantry alone.
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ECB: Nice to see somoene was paying attention in Indoctirnation classes, to bad it's wrong. The People's Republic of China has the largest standing army, as many nuclear weapons and similar size navy to the US pacific fleet.
Keep up with the superiorist attitude, and find out what you're going to be up against.
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china has a larger army, yes.. but it won't do any good considering the PACIFIC OCEAN lies between the US and China. As for their navy? Similar size, yes, similar capability? no. Besides, china would never attack the US on account of the sheer volume of trade. <br>
Seriously man, what are you talking about?
Hahahaha just about summed it up.
Forget about China... thats another story... as for Iran. Nope. Won't happen... if the US is stupid enough to try they will lose.
Not only are you attacking a country that most likely has nuclear capabilities... but have you taken a look at the stength of their army? How well they are equiped? The strategic locations of their bases, their forces, and the country itself? Iran isn't Iraq. Iran isn't Afghanistan. Iran is itching and ready to go... and they have the technology and man power to fight this out.
Forget about what CNN and basically any other source of media is telling you... the US armed forces are NOT invincible. Their are nations out there that rival and exceed what the US is capable of. Of course, the US will always have their nukes... current stockpile is around 25-30K warheads or so? But this isn't the cold war. Nukes aren't an option. They are used for deterrance against overt attacks on your homeland... and thats about it.
The 'we can bomb anyone into submission' mentality doesn't work anymore.
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^^ You got something against the US? lol j/k
I agree, Those other countries we're at war with right now cannot compare with Iran. I think we would have to be in tip top military might if we go to war with Iran. We can not fight 3 damn wars at the same time. I dunno, I dont think Iran is a threat to us right NOW, but what do I know. Bush is in office and he'll do what he wants too. Looser!! <br>
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ECB: look up ICBM's... 'nuff said. Long-range missles are the only thing keeping the US from becoming too beligerent (even if it is in "good faith").
Anyhow..
Iran's Army is not a rag-tag group, however, it does have the capacity to dissolve into smaller factions... look at the Iraqi Fedayeen... one of the elite groups, and giving the US army all it can handle.
I forget the exact unit name in Iran, but it has a simliar role, much like the Spetznaz Russian units.
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I really really hope we don't go to war with Iran. Our troops and our economy can't handle another war right now. If a war with Iran is inevitable, then I would surely hope that Bush would wait for support from a good portion of the rest of the world and not to into it alone, like we did with Iraq... well we're not totally alone... but a good bit of the world is not happy with us at the moment, and few countries have stood by our side. I'd rather not have another war... but if it has to happen... I hope the majority of the rest of the world would be with us on it. <br>
the whole problem here is the idea of win or lose against nuclear rmed nations is mute. IF nuclear arms are in the mix, someone is gonna win......the one who launches first. IF Iran manages to get nuclear weapons one of two things is going to happen. Either they will become a world power, and settle down, or there going to force an armed confrontation between themselves and most probably the US. Although at a certain point beligerance and pushing are going to make them enough enemys in the UN to force a standoff there to. Iw ould hope beyond reason that Bush will look aat the two extremes that have been taken between Iraq and Korea, and will form a policy towards Iran that will come out peacably. Im in no way advocating letting them build up massive nuclear arms, nor am i saying we should bomb the ever loving piss out of them. IF the world will work together on the issue and treat Iran like a world power, i think not only would Iran go from being an overagressive state, but to a legitamate peacful member of the worlds nations. This idea is going to however require compromise on all sides(not just from the US) <br>
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Gam, Ha, and Jinx, sorry but you're all wrong... If any one of you knew 1% of what the US millitary community knows about foreign millitaries(we've had our eyes on iran for well over 20 years now), then none of you would have ever made this post...keep in mind that iran's tanks are predominantly russian made t72's(their shells bounce off Abrams, and Bradleys as if shot with a nerf gun). Iraq was the #4 or #5 millitary on the earth, and the US rolled over it like it wasn't even there. Iran doesn't have anywhere near the millitary force that Iraq did.
After the "Big 3" millitary powers, there's a huge fall-off.. Iran can be as itching to go as they want..it wouldn't matter.
on another note, in 1991----
first, it was the Elite Republican Guard
then, it was the Republican Guard(no longer Elite)..
The units of republican guard that fought and chose not to surrender were decimated.
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Tanks make good pickings on a nuclear barbeque.
I suggest you get acquainted with the terms <a href-"http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=scorched%20earth">Scorched earth</a>, and <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=martyrdom">martyrdom</a>.
Iran at this point is holding the Nuclear card, and is only too happy to join "we used nukes" club. Until you're ready to become a glass shadow in the Iranian Desert, I'd suggest rethinking your idea of American so-called superiority.
The US has Technical Superiority, but again, You have troops in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and a few dozen other places, and have no way to mobilise them without abandoning missions in those countries first.
Pick your battles is a better idea. There are better ways to deal with Iran than a full frontal assault... were you at all politically savvy, you'd know this.
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Doesn't Russia supply Iran with the nuclear chemicals? If we do happen to go to war with Iran, we will fall eventually. Too much would go into it because of that nuclear threat. Now if they did want to decide to send a nuke this way, do you think it would reach? I mean im not doubting the craftsmanship or their heart to go to war, but i have no idea if they do in fact have the power to launch soooo many miles from their own country. But i also think that if it were to happen, they woulda did it when half our soldiers where overseas, they know where somewhat weak right now, but whats stopping them? Just my $0.02
