Did a search on this and couldn't come up with anything solid... I am about to get my car painting similar color to what I have currently (torch red) the bottom of my car is molded kit in the car but the top half of the car is still in red.. I figured on paining the whole car... Now I have someone painting it for me but I want to prep it for him..what exactly needs to be done in order to achieve this. like what kind of grid on sandpaper and do I just wet sand this? and could I just use a palm sander with a little water? any information would be great... and thanks in advance



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ok if the car is in primer, here is what i would do to acheive a straight panle i would use a guide coat then dry block it with 150 or 120 get all the corners then use a red scuff pad re apply a sencond coat of primer let is dry i suggest if you use ppg to let it sit about a week then wet sand with 320 then 400 then 600
now blocking a car is something i can not terach you online and no matter how much searching you do it will not help ya out this is something that has to be taught hands on

if the car is factory paint and just the molding is in primer i would use a D.A. with 180 then 320 then i would wet sand with 400 to remove the D.A. marks i am assuming all dents and all chips were fixed so then wash the car use a red scuff pad to get the small area`s and cracks blow it off mask it off wipe it down seal base clear
sounds easy as hell online but when it comes down to it it`s not

i told you what i would do and do do day in and day out, if your buddy is painting the car i take it he has the experience with painting so why not just help him with the prep work and let him teach you



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^^that is a good point.. but he lives more than a hour and 15 mins away... plus he is charging me 2000.00 to do the whole car.. he is the one who put my skirts and kit on with molding them and it looks really good... I just don't want him to charge me anymore than he has too due to the prep work.. but primering and painting I am leaving up to him.


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well like i said i can`t teach ya online on how to prep a car before paint, that stuff ya have to learn on your own with hands on experience

so why don`t ya ask him if you can help with the prep work to save money


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The part of the car that is already painted and cleared then all you have to do is wet sand with 500 thats it no need to do anything else. wet sanding just makes it a little easier. all you want to do is de-gloss the clear and get any imperfections out. dont use a palm sander its not meant for that. just get DA(dual action) sander. but the part that is molded then just do what he said. also when sanding never jump more then 200 at a time. only step up by like 100. if not it will be hard to get the scratches out from the previous grit. then agian thats why they make primer surfacer to fill in minor imperfections. just might have to use a few more coats=more money/time. also always use guide coat before block sanding. it shows all high/low spots. sand down til all the guide coat is gone. then i would do another guide coat just to make sure you have all high/low spots gone. because when sanding it might go in the low spots. also rinse of occassionly to get the particles out of the low spots. personaly i wouldnt dry sand it will take longer.

i wouldnt primer your car yourself cause you might use some crap sh**. plus it might react funny with what ever paint products your buddy might use.

Also like he said i would have your buddy help you. you really cant teach people without the hands on. plus it will take awhile for one person to block sand a whole car but if you have the time then go for it.

Occupation: computer programmer

keep your day job, and let the pro`s help him out

ok ummmmmm wet sand clear with 500??? ya need to remove material to much material is a bad thing you want to either D.A. or use a mod hog with 40 grit to take it to bare metal or chemically strip it puttin material on top of material is just askin for a @!#$ty result

dry blockin primer is a must it gets the panle straighter it faster when your done then you apply more primer then ya wet sand

so if i need computer help i will ask ya
sorry to thread crap but i had to enlighten this thread


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ya well ive gone to school for collision repair buddy. so i know what im talking about ya you would remove material if theres to much paint to begin with. or if theres been repair to that area. if it oem finish then no need to sand that much material off your just wasting your time. but ya im sure you have more hands on then i do im not trying to knock you but you seem alittle ol school. maybe you should try updating your knowledge. im not trying to start no sh** here just telling you what ive learned and done. anyways where did you laern to paint and how long ago.

but hey maybe im wrong and they taught us the wrong way but i doubt it.

so you think your a pro thats a pretty bold statement there.

why would you want to watse all that time stripping it when thers no need unless theres already excess paint there.

again im not trying to start crap here just letting you know what i was taught

Well thanks all for the input... what I am going to end up doing is just wet sand the base off where it still is factory color just down where the primer can actually grip the car and let my body guy do the rest... and just because I am a computer programer doesn't mean I know anything about cars.. I usually deal with mechanical rather than body. Thats why the questions.


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no big daddy was talking about me not you.

2tyt4u wrote:ya well ive gone to school for collision repair buddy. so i know what im talking about ya you would remove material if theres to much paint to begin with. or if theres been repair to that area. if it oem finish then no need to sand that much material off your just wasting your time. but ya im sure you have more hands on then i do im not trying to knock you but you seem alittle ol school. maybe you should try updating your knowledge. im not trying to start no sh** here just telling you what ive learned and done. anyways where did you laern to paint and how long ago.

but hey maybe im wrong and they taught us the wrong way but i doubt it.

so you think your a pro thats a pretty bold statement there.

why would you want to watse all that time stripping it when thers no need unless theres already excess paint there.

again im not trying to start crap here just letting you know what i was taught

big daddy has been in the business for over 15 years... he does know what he's talking about... and I do agree with what he said. I've been doing this hands on for about 5 years myself, but I'm taking a "vacation" due to medical problems.

His methods may be "old school" but I've seen quite a few pictures of his work, and it is outstanding. Sure, we've had our differences in the past, but they've been worked out and after actually talking to him... he's really not a bad guy at all. Sometimes he can come off wrong, but that's what years in the business will do to you.

Think of this... the auto body/ paint industry is highly underappreciated for all the skills and such you need to do a good job... and in this industry... good is never good enough. People don't appreciate the work you do (and it is hard work)... and a lot of people act like you should be able to wave a magic wand and just get things done perfectly and quickly.

I myself over the 5 years I've been doing it, have gotten to the point where I hate it now... and I don't want that to happen... which is why I'm going back to school for my Doctorate in Veterinary medicine, and am going to stick to simply doing some body work and paint here and there as more of a hobby.

"New school" is not necessarily better than "old school". In this industry, it doens't really matter how you get the job done, as much as what the final outcome is. I learned from an "old school" kinda guy who had been in the business for over 25 years... but I learned some "new school" techniques as well.

My point being, big daddy knows what he's doing, and is damn good at it. I've even taken some pointers from him myself. Just because you went to school for it, doesn't mean that everything you know is right, and what more "old school" people say is wrong. We can all learn from each other and help each other out... no need to get all "holier than thou" about it.

wow!! now you hit the nail on the head!!!
ppg gold certifed
i-car refinishing certified
i-car hybrid car
i-car plastic repair
i-car frame
i-car welding re testing on nov 19th every 5 yrs
i-car structual bonding repair

i say no more she said it the best
thx`s


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well what would you rather have some one that has one year experience 15x or one that has 15 years experience. enough said.

ya but like i said hes old school and doesnt know/ want to know the new tricks. im just trying to make it easier on imself. if someone tried to teach him new tricks then do you think he would do them or just do his own. i would try to do the easiest way possible. with getting the same quality

like i said im not trying to say i know everything. im just trying to give some advice that i have learned

i will have all them i-car pionts also. thats not alot. how many points do you have. i will have atleast 70 when im done.

like i said im sorry if i came off wrong im not trying to start anything. i will continue to learn. either from someone like you or someone from my school


sorry

I'd rather have someone with 15 years experience working on my car personally.

"New school" really doesn't mean anything... like I said. I learned old school... and picked up some new school stuff afterwards... however...

When I went from working my "old school" job... to a new large corporation body shop... I taught some of the "new school" guys some tricks... so don't go acting all holier than thou because you have some schooling.

It is one thing to posess the knowledge, it's another thing to act like you know everything... understand??

Here's an example:

Around the time when big daddy started posting in here... I didnt' like him at all. He came off as "the god of auto body knowledge"... or at least that's how others at the time perceived him. Of course... I was usually the first person to jump on him about it... we hated each other.

Emails were exchanged... but through those emails we gained an understanding of each other... and have helped each other out, and worked together to try to help those on the site in a constructive manner... instead of being critical or comming off as "all knowledgeable".

If you come off like you know EVERYTHING.... and YOUR way is superior to others... you're not going to get far. I worked with a guy like that... he always belittled me because I'm a chick and always put me down... I just kept working. I EARNED my respect.

I would bring my car to big daddy anyday to have something worked on, because he knows what he's talking about, he does AWESOME work... and quite frankly, most people arn't going to give a rats arse what certifications you have or if you're old or new school... they just want their work done right.

I have no certifications at all... but I know what I'm doing, and the work I have done I have put myself into... and have not let work leave until it was done right. I had a guy want to come down from NORTHERN INDIANA for me to do his car, because he loved the work I did... FYI I live in South Eastern PA.

My point... don't come in here acting like you're better than big daddy because you're going all "new school"... it doesn't mean jack crap in this trade. Employers want to know you have skills and do awesome work... not "which school" you've attended... capiche?

damn again great post sorry to thread crap but this should help in you answer

no being certified does not mean a god damn thing what matter in this trade is can you fix a @!#$in car?? bottom line
i worked with a kid just like you and ya know what he couldn`t fix my kid`s bike so take your school and shove it up your ass (sorry)

and the the original poster i hope what i suggested will help you out




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and the the original poster i hope what i suggested will help you out

its all good, yeah actually by reading this thread, I've learned not to take it to crappy places and when your really trying to do a show car don't settle for 2nd best.

but thanks everyone for your input.


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shove it up my a**. hold on i never meant to disrespect you and if i came off that why im sorry. and if i came off like i new everything(which i dont) then again im sorry. i will be the first to say that im a rookie. i believe i will be a rookie for a while til i earn my respect. im not saying that i dont want to learn old school techniques i want to learn everything i possibly can. and i know the school i go to will not make me know everyhting or make me a pro by any means. i will learn new tricks from old dogs.


So if this doesnt solve this lillte bit** fight we got going on then so be it.

ill apologise one last time and thats it. im not going to kiss your a** either just to make things right if you cant handle my input then just go blow your self if not lets squish this right now

^^ you were doing good up until the end... but at least we all understand each other now.

It's more important for those who have ACTUAL auto body/paint knowledge to work together to help people on this forum... instead of one being like "no no that's all wrong"... if ya follow.

Ryan (1REDRY) wrote:[quote=

and the the original poster i hope what i suggested will help you out

its all good, yeah actually by reading this thread, I've learned not to take it to crappy places and when your really trying to do a show car don't settle for 2nd best.

but thanks everyone for your input.


well i am glad i helped ya out, bottom line is you get what you pay for



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[QUOTE-]Think of this... the auto body/ paint industry is highly underappreciated for all the skills and such you need to do a good job... and in this industry... good is never good enough. People don't appreciate the work you do (and it is hard work)... and a lot of people act like you should be able to wave a magic wand and just get things done perfectly and quickly.You are so right !!!!! Ryan, if you want, give me a call later and Il give some pointersl...I know you have seen my work in person...You also saw the Civic we did since you used to work with me....



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ImPhat0260/Cavattack2000 wrote:[QUOTE-]Think of this... the auto body/ paint industry is highly underappreciated for all the skills and such you need to do a good job... and in this industry... good is never good enough. People don't appreciate the work you do (and it is hard work)... and a lot of people act like you should be able to wave a magic wand and just get things done perfectly and quickly.

You are so right !!!!! Ryan, if you want, give me a call later and Il give some pointersl...I know you have seen my work in person...You also saw the Civic we did since you used to work with me....

yeah i'm gonna give you a holla soon... we need to get cought up on whats been missing... phats..... I talked to shane about over at white allen and who can do a decent job on the side "so to speak" and a guy over there willy is finishing the body work (finishing my shaved handles and a little serfice rust) and sean is going to be painting it... Im buying my paint from "house of kolor" and the color is going to be sorta of a surprise until its revealed here before march.... like I said this car WILL be done by spring...


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