Hey. I know how to paint with spray cans really well, however, I have never painted with an hvlp... I searched google for some writeups and found some, I was just looking for some good detailed guides to compare and I know you all know where there are some good ones. and I'm open to any untold secrets and advice.
Thanx
My Sunfire
dude i dunno i really can`t show ya a techniquie i use when i paint
but it`s a talent i can say that your patteren if ya do the aloha sign it should be in that range when painting and the overlap should be about 50% again depends on what your sprayin
but how slow and fast you move is also a factor but i am sorry learning how to paint over the web is something your not goin to do
learn it hands on
can i haz bondo
^^^ right on
You can read up on it and such... but you can't really learn how to properly paint, unless you're getting hands on and maybe watch someone who does know how to paint well... so you know what to look for... what's the best ways, how do you fix a mistake, spray patterns, the width of your spray pattern, your overlap patterns, etc.
HVLP is WAYYYY different than spray cans. Takes a lot of practice to get it right... and even then you can still make mistakes.
big daddy wrote:i am sorry learning how to paint over the web is something your not goin to do
learn it hands on
I plan to, but what i'm looking for is not so much technique, but more or less mixing base-coat and clearcoat... I've seen painting done before but was never involved in the mixing process.. I realize that brands have different parrameters than others. Just looking for stuff like: How much and what kind of gun to use, Good reilable and easy to clean, stuff like that...
[quote=¤§Fallen Angel§¤] HVLP is WAYYYY different than spray cans. Takes a lot of practice to get it right... and even then you can still make mistakes.
I wouldn't say it was wayyyy different, besides mixing and the hvlp gun, the technique is still basicly the same, just on a smaller scale. I got the prep work down, but I would be suck if I got fish-eye... I wouldn't know how much reducer to use.
I'm getting my hood repainted soon by a guy that did some work for me before, but this time I think I'll stick around and really pay attention.
My Sunfire
I wouldn't say it was wayyyy different, besides mixing and the hvlp gun, the technique is still basicly the same, just on a smaller scale. I got the prep work down, but I would be suck if I got fish-eye... I wouldn't know how much reducer to use.
dude you got allot to learn about the trade,, so explain to me how on god`s green earth using a rattle can is the same as painting with a gun?? i would like to know this
a fish eye would be a small conceren you have to know the right mixing ratios for the product you are sprayin, you have to worry about the product if put on to wet it will lift
so many factors play in
so my suggestion to you is to let the pro if he is and let him do it and ask him to teach you on a piece of scrap metal
and maybe after a a few months of learning you will see how many factors and technique come into play
can i haz bondo
big daddy wrote: dude you got allot to learn about the trade,, so explain to me how on god`s green earth using a rattle can is the same as painting with a gun?? i would like to know this and maybe after a a few months of learning you will see how many factors and technique come into play
Dude, no need to be a prick, I was just seeking info... I have worked in 2 body shops and my results with a spray can rival that of the factory paint. I NEVER said it was the SAME as painting with a gun, I said it was the same technique on a smaller scale. and I know how many factors come into play, I was looking for basic tips, and what brands of guns and paint to use. Just trying to learn from other people's mistakes. That all.
My Sunfire
it is hard to use if you dont know how to run a HVLP gun
5secondrule wrote:big daddy wrote: dude you got allot to learn about the trade,, so explain to me how on god`s green earth using a rattle can is the same as painting with a gun?? i would like to know this and maybe after a a few months of learning you will see how many factors and technique come into play
Dude, no need to be a prick, I was just seeking info... I have worked in 2 body shops and my results with a spray can rival that of the factory paint. I NEVER said it was the SAME as painting with a gun, I said it was the same technique on a smaller scale. and I know how many factors come into play, I was looking for basic tips, and what brands of guns and paint to use. Just trying to learn from other people's mistakes. That all.
hey not being one at all so if ya worked in a shop beofre you must be a apprentice of a helper or something like that
well i use sata`s and have been for a long time i love em`
can i haz bondo
how much will one of those run me? And where would you go to get a good selection? Home depot or some specality store?
My Sunfire
I got spray gun i can send u for like 5 bucks that ive never used so u can try it out. I use to paint back in high school a lot so i can give u some tips on what i know.
Thanx for the help with the grill
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Just start spraying on some scrap pieces... like a spare hood or something.
There are many more factors to look into when painting with HVLP, like big daddy said... and you have to know what to do when you get those mistakes.
Gun... I'd use a Sata or an Iwata... they're both excellent.
Paint... big daddy seems to prefer PPG... I prefer DuPont personally.
As far as mix ratios... it'll be on the can of paint (if you just buy your paint).
DuPont mainly uses a 1:1 mix ratio for bases, a lot of X-otic paints use 2:1 for bases (I would NOT recommend shooting HOK or X-otic until you've gotten a lot of experience).
Clears... depends on what clear you use. Some are 3:1, some are 4:1, some are 4:1:10% or 4:1:1, 3:1:1...... all depends.
You'll also use different spray patterns for different paint applications. You may use a different spray pattern for clear than you do with a base. Spray patterns also involve not only the spray pattern from the gun... but the pattern in which you spray on the paint. i.e. metallics and pearlescent bases require more care and caution to spray and are sprayed differently than a base with no metallics or pearls. Different people also prefer different methods.
I think the reason big daddy got a little upset is it seems a lot of people on this board seem to be under the impression that any yin-yang can do body work and paint... and some assume it's sooooo easy. It does take a great bit of training and skill to get it down right and do a beautiful job. It is a hard job and takes a LOT of patience and practice to do it right and do a good job. Even then... a "good" job in this field is never good enough. (Trust me I know first hand. I've been doing this for about 5 years and lately have been working for myself, and there just is no pleasing some people). Heck I get upset sometimes when people downplay body work and painting and just assume any monkey can do it.
Honestly... practice on some scrap parts. But if you want to get good... it would be much better to learn under the watchful eye of someone who is experienced. We're not trying to bash you or beat you down or whatever, we are trying to help. And the best way to learn is to observe someone else do it the right way, watch how they fix mistakes, and have them help you along in trying it firsthand yourself.
I learned from a guy who owned his own shop and had been in the biz for 25-30 years, hands on. There's still things I don't know... you're always learning in this field.
I think the reason big daddy got a little upset is it seems a lot of people on this board seem to be under the impression that any yin-yang can do body work and paint... and some assume it's sooooo easy. It does take a great bit of training and skill to get it down right and do a beautiful job. It is a hard job and takes a LOT of patience and practice to do it right and do a good job. Even then... a "good" job in this field is never good enough. (Trust me I know first hand. I've been doing this for about 5 years and lately have been working for myself, and there just is no pleasing some people). Heck I get upset sometimes when people downplay body work and painting and just assume any monkey can do it.
i couldnt have typed it out better so true and when you get done building a car or finishing a car from a collision it`s picked apart and nothing is ever appreciated
bottom line is allot of expreience allot of talent and allot of patientence
can i haz bondo
big daddy wrote:I think the reason big daddy got a little upset is it seems a lot of people on this board seem to be under the impression that any yin-yang can do body work and paint... and some assume it's sooooo easy. It does take a great bit of training and skill to get it down right and do a beautiful job. It is a hard job and takes a LOT of patience and practice to do it right and do a good job. Even then... a "good" job in this field is never good enough. (Trust me I know first hand. I've been doing this for about 5 years and lately have been working for myself, and there just is no pleasing some people). Heck I get upset sometimes when people downplay body work and painting and just assume any monkey can do it.
i couldnt have typed it out better so true and when you get done building a car or finishing a car from a collision it`s picked apart and nothing is ever appreciated
bottom line is allot of expreience allot of talent and allot of patientence
why thank ya
experience, patience, talent... and did I mention patience?? lol
oh god PATIENCE is the key word so is EXPREIENCE
can i haz bondo
LOL how about...
1. Proper training
2. Experience
3. Practice
4. Patience
5. Patience
6. Patience
7. Patience
8. Patience
9. Patience
and 10. you guessed it ... Patience lol
If you have a short fuse... this biz is not for you lol
umm basicly some good pointers..
-the distance between your thumb and pinky is about how far you need to keep the gun from the panel..
- keep it straight and steady
-overlap 50%
- when clearing keep all your edges wet until your done with the whole piece
theres a few
