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Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:40 AM
I was just wondering on who you guys thought would win this race.. i have 2 friends that have these cars and they are puttin off racing.. both are stock, the vr-4 turbo's are at about 13 psi. Who do you guys think would win this race?

Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:12 AM
year of the f body would be nice and trans


-Borsty
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:54 AM
if they're both around the same year, I'm gonna say the better driver wins
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:57 PM
i would probably say vr4, it would easily get it off the line to with awd


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Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:00 PM
i would have to go with the 3000gt..my buddy has a 93 firebird formula and its dog slow





Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:01 PM
The Trans Am will take it... if its a 6spd LS1.

How do I know? I've done it. Thrice.





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Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:09 PM
ls1 didnt exist around the same year as a 3kgt. i think they stopped in like 95??? so im sure its an lt1. is it an auto or a 6 speed? im thinkin the 3gkt will take it if its fresh.
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:13 PM
3000GT's were sold from 1991-1999
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:14 PM
i tried to space it all out but it wouldnt let me... but thats 0-60 and 1/4 mile times

1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 13.8
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6

1991 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.5 14.8
1991 Pontiac Trans Am Conv. 7.0 15.4
1993 Pontiac Firebird Firehawk 4.9 13.5
1993 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.1 14.7
1993 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.3 14.8
1994 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.1
1995 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 5.3 13.9
1995 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.7 15.1
1995 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.6 14.0
1996 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.3
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.3 13.8
1998 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.1 13.4
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:37 AM
if its a 98+ firebird with the LS1 engine in it.. i will have to say the Firebird will win for sure... even though its only RWD these cars take off like a bat out of hell if launched properly.. i have had no problems at all beating an STi in our 02 T/A that has a LS1 in it.... never raced a 3000GT though...



Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:46 AM
Spitfire2332 wrote:i tried to space it all out but it wouldnt let me... but thats 0-60 and 1/4 mile times

1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 13.8
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6

1991 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.5 14.8
1991 Pontiac Trans Am Conv. 7.0 15.4
1993 Pontiac Firebird Firehawk 4.9 13.5
1993 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.1 14.7
1993 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.3 14.8
1994 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.1
1995 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 5.3 13.9
1995 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.7 15.1
1995 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.6 14.0
1996 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.3
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.3 13.8
1998 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.1 13.4


what soruce were these gotten from, most seem bullish cause of the same car and engine is giving different times.


-Borsty

Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:07 AM
The 3000GT is a 93'-5 spd and the trans am is a 94' auto.
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:09 AM
Borsty wrote:what soruce were these gotten from, most seem bullish cause of the same car and engine is giving different times.


http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html there are tons of lists just like that. another forum i go to had that list archived so i went to it.
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:12 AM
Scott Smith wrote:The 3000GT is a 93'-5 spd and the trans am is a 94' auto.


GT will take it.





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Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:29 AM
sounds like their pretty even to me. looks like it all depends on how good the 3k driver is at shiftin.
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:58 PM
I'd go with the LT1 b/c they're even stock, and the 3000gt would lose more power over time compared to the LT1, since there's so much more that can go wrong with it.


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Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:00 PM
Also, automatic fbodies usually have the same et's as a manual, just with a lower trap speed.


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Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:00 PM
id like to know the miles and conditions of these cars... theres too many factors with older cars IMO
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:43 AM
ill go with the firebird.


AWD is heavy @!#$.


-Borsty
Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:09 AM
firebirds are heavy/boats





Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:26 AM
3400 lbs f body weight give or take, those awd cars are heavy as @!#$


-Borsty

Re: Pontiac Firebird Formula Coupe VS. 3000GT VR-4
Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:12 PM
The VR-4 will rape it off the line....it's still a 13 second car vs. a 14 sec car (yes the LT1's are that slow with auto's!)

Also...the 96+ VR-4 get a bump in boost from 11 to 13psi I believe.







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