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The end of VW is near....
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 4:20 PM
VW Dealers Fume as Sales and Satisfaction Levels Tumble

LOS ANGELES — Volkswagen's U.S. management is trying to quell unrest among its dealer network after dealers accused bosses of supplying them with the wrong cars.

Dealers say this is the reason for declining U.S. sales and tumbling customer satisfaction levels. They have blamed VW for shipping too many high-end automatic transmission models instead of the cheaper manual-shift cars they say are most in demand. Bob Grace, chairman of the VW national dealer council, said at a time when demand for diesels was increasing, his Louisiana dealership had only two Passat diesels in stock.

VW dealers came in last in most categories in the National Automotive Dealers' Association's latest annual dealer attitude survey. But VW said its top priority was to restore its North American operation to profitability, even at the expense of sales.

Wade Walker, who represents VW's 900 U.S. dealers in the association, said: "The Germans have tried, but they don't understand the American market."

VW executives in Germany said the weak dollar meant America was not the best market for a European carmaker. VW has made a conscious decision to ship fewer cars to North America and focus on more profitable parts of the world. VW will hold monthly meetings with U.S. dealers in a bid to rebuild relations.

What this means to you: Sounds like you might have a hard time finding satisfaction in your quest for a car at VW. But this may be more a dealer problem than a customer one. The weak dollar is making life tough for VW. Its dealers want to sell cheap cars, but VW wants them to sell the expensive ones as those are the only ones that make money. Catch-22.

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So what has VW learned over the last 5 years? Apparently not a goddamn thing and here they are making the same mistakes AGAIN for 2005 going on 2006.

They still haven't realized... in NA, VW is an economy car. The market doesn't want to pay $22k for a friggen Jetta or Golf, nor do they want to spend close to $30k for a Passat.

They have failed to control their costs, so now instead of streamlining their operation, their main goal is going to be focused on increasing profitability and by how? By continuing to ship the high end models that nobody buys while not addressing the quality/reliability issues that have been inherited by the MK5 due to VWs cluster @!#$ engineering and poor initiative.

Obviously they are incapable of change... the dealers even agree "The Germans have tried, but they don't understand the American market."

Its almost like VW wants to pull out of the North American market

VW in North America will be dead by the end of the decade...





Re: The end of VW is near....
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:04 PM
I agree. I love the Jetta's but would never spend what they are asking for them. They look great, pretty quick, comfortable to drive. They are just too un-reliable and expensive. If they were the complete oposite for reliability maybe. Like if they were one of the most reliable cars on the market. You never had problems with them and parts were reasonable. I might consider paying 22k for a Jetta fully loaded. But its not that way.
Re: The end of VW is near....
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:52 PM
like ive said before, i broke the axle on my sisters passat by flooring it, just shattered all the bolts, that was quite interesting, looks like its time to look for a new job ryan


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Re: The end of VW is near....
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:03 PM
"The end of VW is near...."
Good!
The only VW I ever really liked was the air-cooled beatles, espcially the Karman-Ghia (beautiful car).
Mostly because it was air-cooled.

On the topic... .
VW is forgeting what their name stands for.
Volkswagen: Peoples car.
Looking at their price, the only "people" they are catering to is the rich, not the common people. VW is tring to fool North America into thinking VW is a high-end car as Benz did. Big mistake IMO.




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Re: The end of VW is near....
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:58 PM
i can see where this is coming from....my friend just bought a passat, yea nice car but for a 27K price tag?? ehhh you could get alot nicer for that kinda money

if they were VERY reliable vehicles i could see maybe asking a little more then the competition, but they dont even have that

people think GM is in trouble, i think there a hell of alot better off then VW



Re: The end of VW is near....
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:24 PM
for the price of a Passat you could get the way more gorgeous Toyota Avalon, and IT DOES come with reliability. or go the GM route and get an awesome CTS and at least get the power and so-so reliability. VW needs to bring it's feet back to earth, they simply ARE NOT BMW, and never will be.



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Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:39 AM

01. they're too expensive
02. they have a flawed marketing strategy.
      (ie why is the A3 only available in FWD for its North American debut)
03. sometimes it seems they engineer more technology into their VW
      brand than their Audi counterparts (the A4 isn't availble with the W8
      but its an option on the passat if I'm not mistaken).
04. They're too difficult to maintain by 3rd party mechanics.





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Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:23 AM
urban wrote:
01. they're too expensive
02. they have a flawed marketing strategy.
(ie why is the A3 only available in FWD for its North American debut)
03. sometimes it seems they engineer more technology into their VW
brand than their Audi counterparts (the A4 isn't availble with the W8
but its an option on the passat if I'm not mistaken).
04. They're too difficult to maintain by 3rd party mechanics.




-VW's are a bit expensive, but honestly what German brand isn't?

-The A3 is only available for its debut in the FWD version, however many manufacturers do this. Its a matter of just trying to get the car out there and get some recognition. It was the same way with the new S40. The original versions were not only offered without the AWD, but they did not have a manual option for a while either.

- The passat is no longer available in the W8 version. Actually that version tanked for sales and they quickly discontinued it. The numbers showed many consumers didn't want that version.

- I'll give you that they are hard to maintain. Its not so much working on the car thats difficult, but rather the foolish engineering sometimes that many mechanics don't want to deal with. A replacement part may be only like $75, but to get at and replace that part could take over 5 hours.
Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:52 AM
Quote:

A replacement part may be only like $75, but to get at and replace that part could take over 5 hours.


Which will cost the owner damn near $400 in just labor.

Volkswagen should be focusing on making small cars great, not big cars good. Their little foray into the $70k+ market has some stiff competition from some established players, all of which offer something that the others don't: cache, power, driving satisfaction. The only thing the Phaeton offers different from the others is a big "VW" on the snout.

The only people losing out are North America's small car buyers and enthusiasts. If I was VW lover I'd be fuming right now. Goodwrench had it nailed: Volkswagen translates into People's Car, not Bureaucrat's Limo.


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Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:57 AM
When was the last time you saw a Phaeton?

Thought so.

VW's strategy is pretty flawed.. There is a lot of meaningless Engineering built into the car that really doesn't add or detract from usability, it's just there but by the grace Engineers.

VW may not be a BMW, so why are they pricing them into oblivion? I looked a Golf Diesel a while ago, but they were asking almost $30k CDN for it. What you save in fuel costs, you more than lose in purchase price.

I'd drive a Passat or even a Jetta, but I wouldn't own it unless I got a kick-ass warranty.



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Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:32 AM
As I just said in the other VW post:
They're too expensive for what they're actually worth,
They're trying to out BMW BMW, when they're only the KIA of German cars.




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Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:40 AM
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:When was the last time you saw a Phaeton?

Thought so.




I'm looking at 2 as I type this



Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:13 AM
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:"The end of VW is near...."
Good!
VW is forgeting what their name stands for.
Volkswagen: Peoples car.
Looking at their price, the only "people" they are catering to is the rich, not the common people. VW is tring to fool North America into thinking VW is a high-end car as Benz did. Big mistake IMO.


These are exactly my grandfather's words (our family is from the Netherlands). VW is one of the cheapest brands in Europe, they want the NA market to think of them as a BMW. ( a "german engineered" marvel of sorts) Most of their cars are also ugly uninspired designs.
Hey VW you're not a luxury brand! Price your cars accordingly.




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Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:39 PM
where are you guys getting raped with these high prices? why would you pay $ 26-30K for a passat? i bought my 03 Passat GLS, LOADED, heated seats, 1.8T with manual, with 2 year bumper to bumper warranty and roadside for $13K. i love the car. it drives better then my friends 03 BMW 328.

yeah, its a couple of years old, but i wasnt looking for a brand new car.




Re: The end of VW is near....
Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:08 PM
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:When was the last time you saw a Phaeton?




i sat in 1 at the LA auto show , LOL


oh wait you mean on the street right , lol


sounds like GM and VW should murge , ahahhahahaa


cause they both dont know what we want







Re: The end of VW is near....
Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:31 PM
well guys i'm not a fan of volks but i say...their made alright..i know you guys are disagreeing right away but...lets see what they have going for them

1-automatic trannys are @!#$ but their manual ones are alright

2-vr6 engine is one great engine.very strong..but they stopped making them this year.lol

3-ookok...the door gap and how nicely the doors close is a big +

4- i really liked that blue lighted interior

5-looking in the past they made some nice cars..i love the corrado and the the jetta has always been a nice car

6-their diesel engines are very strong and last a very long time..400 ooo kms+ if maintained well

7-resale value is good

those are my thoughts
Re: The end of VW is near....
Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:45 PM
tommyZ24 wrote:well guys i'm not a fan of volks but i say...their made alright..i know you guys are disagreeing right away but...lets see what they have going for them

1-automatic trannys are @!#$ but their manual ones are alright

2-vr6 engine is one great engine.very strong..but they stopped making them this year.lol

3-ookok...the door gap and how nicely the doors close is a big +

4- i really liked that blue lighted interior

5-looking in the past they made some nice cars..i love the corrado and the the jetta has always been a nice car

6-their diesel engines are very strong and last a very long time..400 ooo kms+ if maintained well

7-resale value is good

those are my thoughts


1 key word is ALRIGHT
2 no they didn't stop purduction
3 when somethign works/fit how its surpossed to to begin with no really much of a braging right
4 interior lighting is nice, more red then blue though
5 no comment - can't argue that, its your opinion
6 yeah wait till an injector takes s hit.... its $1000 (yes one thousand not a typo) for 1 (one) injector on the new deisels, the waste gate actuators liek to sieze up which requires entire turbo replacement, replacing intake manifold and EGR cooler on a regular basis is normal, the still can't make a mass air flow sensor that works to save there life, the V10 twin turbo diesel though.... can' afgue thats its a strong engine mad power from that engine
7 havn't figure dout how the resale as high as they do but I can't disagree with you there



Re: The end of VW is near....
Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:03 PM
tommyZ24 wrote:6-their diesel engines are very strong and last a very long time..400 ooo kms+ if maintained well


400,000+ klicks, or about 240,000 miles is normal for any diesel regardless of manufacturer. The Cummins Turbo Diesel found in the Ram Trucks isn't even broken in until about 20-25,000 miles, and doesn't need an overhaul until 300,000 miles. For any diesel engine they're just starting to hit their stride at 100,000 miles. I'm a Diesel Mechanic, and a lot of the engines I work on are old enough to drive and still perform flawlessly.




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Re: The end of VW is near....
Friday, May 27, 2005 2:42 AM
i like the one car thats like 80 grand is looks like a passat.


wat a ripoff.


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Re: The end of VW is near....
Friday, May 27, 2005 2:51 AM
GOOD. vw's are pure junk anyway. no one needs em.


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Re: The end of VW is near....
Friday, May 27, 2005 5:21 AM
Borsty wrote:i like the one car thats like 80 grand is looks like a passat.


wat a ripoff.


its $100,000+ if you get all the options




Re: The end of VW is near....
Friday, May 27, 2005 6:51 AM
Darkstars wrote:
Borsty wrote:i like the one car thats like 80 grand is looks like a passat.


wat a ripoff.


its $100,000+ if you get all the options


yuck


-Borsty
Re: The end of VW is near....
Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:42 PM
Rip... off?

BTW, DS: Can you post from work?




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Re: The end of VW is near....
Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:55 PM
Anyhow, the only VW I'd buy personally is a Passat/Jetta/Golf with the TDI engine.

Gotta get a few more automakers to put out Diesel Cars... As it stands, it's either VW or Mercedes (SMART cars are marketed by Mercedes).

What a pisser.



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Re: The end of VW is near....
Sunday, May 29, 2005 5:03 PM
I work from 8-5 monday -friday so when its slow I come on JBO and post this threadI was posting form work



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