Just heard this on the radio this morning - apparently they first thought it was the carpet getting stuck at the gas pedal, not they've found an actual mechanical problem.
about 2.3 million vehicles! Not good!
You have NO idea how many calls I have gotten regarding this issue this morning. Im a service advisor at Toyota. The media got it before we did, our internal release on what Toyota is doing jsut came out about 10 minutes ago. So I have been repaeating "if your vehicle is affected by a recal, you will be notified by mail" all morning. lol
toyota fails.
i had to pull EVERY driver side floor mat out of over a hundred hertz cars during the re-call. it was extremely annoying.
almost as annoying as their stupid low tire pressure warning lights.
Trailer Queen corvette wanna-be with 40 coats of wax and powdercoating that soaks in.
i am a toyota tech and fly by wire systems suck..i have never been a fan of them..
agreed on the tire light...those things go off when it gets cold there so sensative.
Aww. The Japanese Giant has to do ANOTHER recall. Why am I unable to do anything except smile...
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So all you guys bashing these cars. Please tell me how many deaths were casued by this issue. That would be none.
How many accidents were caused by this issue, that would be none.
3 cars in Canada experienced a slightly sticky gas pedal, thats it. Ofcourse its blown way out of proportion by the media.
God, when I worked at Cadillac/Buick/GMC, we would get a new recall every 3 days. If anything, Toyota is going way above and beyond what they need to here to take care of their customers.
Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Aww. The Japanese Giant has to do ANOTHER recall. Why am I unable to do anything except smile...
]:->
That will teach them to make cars here in N America......
After all the problems i had with my Scion TC, I'm proud to say I'm all done with ever owning another Toyota.. Had an engine oil leak that was brought in 3 times and all three times they said it was all set and fixed.. Haha until i looked again a week later. Another problem was the fabric on the seats were splitting in the stitching, plus the fabric had all blotching like water stains or something.. Another problem was the transmission, it had a very clunky/cheap transmission that i later learned it was a common problem Due to cheap syncros... The Toyota tech said there is nothing they can do and that they all shift like that.. Haha POS Another,, was the nice popular glass roof made more noise that anything. It sounded like a guy was up there walking around on my roof..
All said an done i let the bank take it.. SEE YA!
Best part is, i enjoy driving my $4000 Cavalier alot better than that $16,000 Scion TC Crap.. and now i never miss a shift
gtpsunfire wrote:So all you guys bashing these cars. Please tell me how many deaths were casued by this issue. That would be none.
How many accidents were caused by this issue, that would be none.
3 cars in Canada experienced a slightly sticky gas pedal, thats it. Ofcourse its blown way out of proportion by the media.
God, when I worked at Cadillac/Buick/GMC, we would get a new recall every 3 days. If anything, Toyota is going way above and beyond what they need to here to take care of their customers.
Actually...
that would be wrong. There were a number of deaths because of this problem.
We were having this discussion over at GMSCF too.
http://www.gmscf.com/showthread.php?3898-toyota-drivers
Its a good thing GM hasn't had any recalls
Ah, it's just so nice to see. Guess you don't have to be a domestic carmaker to stumble and fall anymore!
I could not be happier for them.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
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Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Ah, it's just so nice to see. Guess you don't have to be a domestic carmaker to stumble and fall anymore!
I could not be happier for them.
I agree with the bolded area. All car makers have their hiccups.
Saw this a couple days ago, but what you need to understand is everything in the car is controlled by the computer. There is no longer a linkage between the shifter and the transmission. You shift, it hits a switch, and suggests that the transmission shifts. Notice I say SUGGESTS. If the computer doesn't see the right conditions, like the car is accelerating hard, it won't shift out of gear.
Same goes for turning the key off. Everyone is so worried about loosing power steering when you shut the car down. It's a car, they aren't that hard to control without power steering. Hell I've had to wrestle a truck that weighted over 100,000lbs with a tank full of liquid @!#$ around a curve with no power steering at 55. It sucked, but it's doable. But even then, you turning the key off in new cars doesn't actually cut power, it suggests that the engine power down, the computer knows your moving at 60mph, and simply goes, no.
Toyota is telling people to simply "apply the brake firmly." Yeah, that will help for all of about 10 seconds, when the cheap ass stock brakes they put on the cars overheat and are rendered useless.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, big brother systems are bull@!#$. I want my foot connected to the throttle body, none of this drive by wire bull. And when I turn the key off, it sure as hell better shut the engine down.
What is really pissing me off though, is there have been 60 reported cases of this happening... 60! And they are just now running the recall.
Also they have 911 recordings of several people while they were trying to get the car to stop, including that cop that crashed and his whole family died. Shifter was stuck in drive and key wouldn't budge. All "safety" measures.
If I had one of these cars, I wouldn't be looking for a recall, I'd be looking for a new car.
Paying someone to install parts and bragging about it being fast, is like watching someone bang your wife and being proud to raise their kids.
Rabbit(AKA RedAssassin) wrote:Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Ah, it's just so nice to see. Guess you don't have to be a domestic carmaker to stumble and fall anymore!
I could not be happier for them.
I agree with the bolded area. All car makers have their hiccups.
Indeed. Now, we'll see if the media darling, Toyota, has its hand held to the fire thesame way said media excoriated GM for years longer than it should have. Somehow, I doubt we'll see equitable treatment, however.
GM product has been world class for some time now, but you would not know it by the cannibalistic press and its ongoing habit of never letting the public forget how GM was caught with its pants down years back. We all pay the price in lost jobs and government bailouts.
My prediction: We're just seeing the tip of Toyota's recall iceberg. The last two years are just a precursor of what's to come. Rusting truck chassis and deaths from unintended acceleration are just the beginning.
It's about time the world realized that even Toyota can have issues. And damned serious ones at that! Comeuppance is a wonderful thing.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
Transporter7220 wrote:
Also they have 911 recordings of several people while they were trying to get the car to stop, including that cop that crashed and his whole family died. Shifter was stuck in drive and key wouldn't budge. All "safety" measures.
If I had one of these cars, I wouldn't be looking for a recall, I'd be looking for a new car.
I find this a little hard to believe.
So did I, but there are multiple 911 calls where the person says that they cant get the shifter or the key to move. One of which was a cop, which I'd like to think could keep his cool in that situation, and would know how to turn a car off. However, he said neither would budge.
Also, to gtpsunfire, there have been MANY reported deaths, including that cop and his whole family.
Paying someone to install parts and bragging about it being fast, is like watching someone bang your wife and being proud to raise their kids.
Transporter7220 wrote:So did I, but there are multiple 911 calls where the person says that they cant get the shifter or the key to move. One of which was a cop, which I'd like to think could keep his cool in that situation, and would know how to turn a car off. However, he said neither would budge.
Also, to gtpsunfire, there have been MANY reported deaths, including that cop and his whole family.
That was when the floormats were getting caught ontop of the pedal, not the pedal sticking.
And Mr. Hahn, I have been a GM boy all my life. But working at Cadillac for so long, I saw exactly what they were made like. GM rushed their asses to match the import makers in terms of litle toys in these cars. Problem was that it was exactly that, they rushed and put out inferior products. This wasnt a long time ago either, I switched over to from GM in January 09. I fully believe that they do NOT put out world class cars, even t othis day. Ford on the other hand, they have stepped up their game in these tough times.
Even to this day, I stand by my decsion that my next new car will be a Toyota, probably a Venza AWD V6. They are built MUCH better than what Im used to from all my GM cars. Plus the maintenance is alot cheaper than the domestic boys and I see far less problems with these cars than I saw at GM, and I worked there for YEARS.
No it wasn't, this happened only recently and almost all the reported cases had the floor mats in the trunk because Toyota told everyone to put them there.
Paying someone to install parts and bragging about it being fast, is like watching someone bang your wife and being proud to raise their kids.
Rabbit(AKA RedAssassin) wrote:Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Ah, it's just so nice to see. Guess you don't have to be a domestic carmaker to stumble and fall anymore!
I could not be happier for them.
I agree with the bolded area. All car makers have their hiccups.
That being said I wonder how many people knew on Mercdes-Benz E-class w211 and their brake failure with their lousy Sensotronic and it's "brake-pedal simulator" design. High-priced cars never gets the negative publicity that they deserve. That's probably why so many people think they are good.
By any chance would any one know if the electronic sensors are made by Delco or Denso? I know Toyota used to contract them.
If any one runs into this problem, don't apply your brake, or turn off your engine.
Shift to neutral and coast/slow down, then shut off.
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Also GTPSunfire, the floormats were their scapegoat for their problem. So yeah the 'sticky' pedal goes back.
how many fatalities
A Toyota-related accident that may have been related to sudden acceleration. (ABC-TV photo)
Three weeks ago, I purchased a 2005 Toyota Corolla. On March 24, 2005, while pulling into a bank parking lot on North Broadway in Nassau County, New York, my car suddenly accelerated, knocking over a chain-link fence and landing in the middle of a six-lane busy road. It is almost unheard of that there were no cars in my path and no one was hurt...Has this ever happened to anyone else with a Toyota?? Let me know.
That report is five years old, but I've been following this story for The Daily Green, and I've fielded many more recent ones. A woman in New England with a 2005 Tacoma said that she and her husband had both "experienced the truck surge in RPMs while sitting at a stop light. The truck feels like it wants to take off on its own."
Toyota has been ineffectual in trying to contain the sudden acceleration problem with a recall of 4.2 million vehicles that blamed the problem on "pedal entrapment." The fix involved shortening the pedal and lowering the carpet pad, but the reports kept coming. And so yesterday Toyota announced a second massive recall, this one of 2.3 million cars and trucks. (Some 1.7 million vehicles are covered by both of them.)
This time, according to Toyota spokesman John Hanson, the problem is a worn and sticking accelerator pedal. "In a few rare cases," he said, "people have said they pushed down the spring-loaded pedal and moved only slowly back to its original position. In a few rare cases, it didn't return but stayed where it was."
Jeffrey Pepski of Plymouth, Minnesota was driving home from work in his 2007 Lexus ES350 early last year. "I experienced a sudden uncontrollable surge in acceleration causing my speed to increase from about 60 mph to 80+ mph," he said. "Immediately I began to brake hard as I was rapidly approaching traffic just ahead of me....There were clouds of smoke around the vehicle and the smell of burning materials from the overheating brakes."
Pepski finally shifted into neutral but that caused the engine to race above the redline, and he thought the car would "blow up." The sudden acceleration episode ended as mysteriously as it began.
I asked for readers to send me their own unintended acceleration stories. Although the Los Angeles Times reports that there have been 19 sudden-acceleration-related fatalities in Toyota and Lexus vehicles since 2001, it's interesting that many involve cars other than Toyota. It may be that the issue is industry-wide, and that the true cause has not been located. Some attorneys for crash victims say the problem is caused by ubiquitous "throttle-by-wire" systems that replace mechanical linkage with electronic signals that could be going astray in the complex computer environment that is the modern automobile. But Hanson says that Toyota has thoroughly investigated that possible cause and found no problems.
Nevertheless, the reports keep coming in
Read more:
http://www.thedailygreen.com/living-green/blogs/cars-transportation/sudden-acceleration-toyota-recalls-460110#ixzz0dUh4Q5SU
