i think its funny, the credit union here will not finance a suzuki
Darkstars will love this...
I'm still trying to find out why:
A) People are so attracted to Scion
B) Pontiac is so much lower than Chevy
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Only took 14 years to get a GM in #1 LOL
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Oh I do
I had showed this to all kinds of cowrokers, we all had a good laugh. You could take a @!#$ and superglue a chrome VW emblem to it and people will buy it. Me and one of the guys were talking about it today... VW has 260 repairs per 100 vehicle... that's seems oddly low given the quality of the recent cars. If you had a VW passat chances are your one of the bolts on a idler pulley from the timing chain broken off and your valves got acquainted with the pistons. If you had a 2.0T chances are your fuel pump ate your intake camshaft, your N80 valve was replaced for an evap leak, and the intake runner control motor motor got replaced at least twice along with various reflashes. If you had a 2.5 theres a good choice a coil melted started smoking and misfiring then the car shuts off cause it blew the fuse, you most likely got new coolant fans and a good chunk got thermostats. If you had a Golf, Jetta, GTI, GLI, or Passat you had to come in on 2 separate occasions to cut a connector for the air bag off of each seat and rewire it one at a time, so there's 2 visits, and at least one more for a sway bar bushing. Its sad how many problems they have that are so wide spread your suprised to see a car with 30K miles that hasn't had it all done already.
Mr. Kleindl wrote:Only took 14 years to get a GM in #1 LOL
They tied for #1, but I think thats because Buick has an unfair advantage.... It's based on repairs per 100 vehicles, I don't think Buick sold 100 vehicles so there's a lot less cars out there to break LOL
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Mr. Kleindl wrote:Only took 14 years to get a GM in #1 LOL
They tied for #1, but I think thats because Buick has an unfair advantage.... It's based on repairs per 100 vehicles, I don't think Buick sold 100 vehicles so there's a lot less cars out there to break LOL
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Am I supposed to believe a study that calls Jaguar dependable?
Either way, it makes the cars of 2005 look horribly bad. You'll notice that 2005 Hondas and Acuras are about as dependable as 2009 Dodges, if that's possible. Also, the worst car on the 2009 list places it almost halfway up the 2005 list. Either cars have gotten much more dependable, or someone's full of crap.
The reason Buick and Jaguar are on top is because most of the customers are either old or dont drive the vehicle that much...so the old people dont even realize there is a problem with the vehicle and the jag owners dont drive a whole lot so they dont know anything is wrong
Just my opinion...then again i"m biased because I work for a Toyota dealer....I dont get how scion is on the bottom of the list though...its just a Toyota....huh wierd
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I've read before that there is an uncertainty with these statistics, because not everyone reports all the problems. And someone who owns an expensive Mercedes is more likely to report a small problem, like a rattle or something, than someone who owns a Kia. Makes sense to me.
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I dont get how scion is on the bottom of the list though...its just a Toyota....huh wierd
not wierd at all, its all about demographics. It's liek the cocksucker kids that buy GTI's and expect them be Bently quality, the younger crowd will nitpick and complain ALOT more then older people. We had a guy we called "Swiffer" (His previous VW had a huge Swift R windshield banner) and when he worked across the street at the mall his car was broken every single week, literally, every single week at least once he was in complaining. When the mall closed and his store left we see him maybe every couple months becasue its not convenient for him to brake the same @!#$ over and over (we replaced the vent in the back of the center consul probably 10-12 times) to come in for some free granola bars and coffee and get your car washed and dried (all free anyway, just ask)
One thing to consider is that JD Powers CAN be bought. My Uncle works for American Suzuki and they have lunch with honchos from JD Power to negotiate how much they want (under the table money and/or perks) to give Suzuki a better rating and help push product. I guess Suzuki didn't have any cash to throw around this year.
LOL
I would normally call this story BS but my Cousin works at GM and says they do the same thing. He says JD Powers is a joke...thankfully nobody knows this and it helps to sell vehicles.
I never trust those things. I’ve owned Chevy’s and Toyotas that are bullet proof reliable, and I’ve owned Chevy’s and Toyotas that totally blew. It’s a crapshoot that shouldn’t bring down the whole nameplate because they had a few bunk vehicles.
Suzuki built awesome reliable trucks, but then they took the offer to sell Daewoo’s for GM and their reliability went in the crapper. The bikes and trucks still are great but their whole name is synonymous with dog sh*t because they took a chance with selling another manufacturers line and calling it their own. Every Suzuki Verona/Chevy Optica sold was recalled…multiple times. Suzuki issued a no-sale on the car to all dealers and the car was cancelled only after 2 years. The cost of replacing motors and blown heads was horrendous for a small company like Suzuki. It was a disaster for Chevy too.
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Jookycola wrote:One thing to consider is that JD Powers CAN be bought. My Uncle works for American Suzuki and they have lunch with honchos from JD Power to negotiate how much they want (under the table money and/or perks) to give Suzuki a better rating and help push product. I guess Suzuki didn't have any cash to throw around this year.
LOL
I would normally call this story BS but my Cousin works at GM and says they do the same thing. He says JD Powers is a joke...thankfully nobody knows this and it helps to sell vehicles.
I never trust those things. I’ve owned Chevy’s and Toyotas that are bullet proof reliable, and I’ve owned Chevy’s and Toyotas that totally blew. It’s a crapshoot that shouldn’t bring down the whole nameplate because they had a few bunk vehicles.
Suzuki built awesome reliable trucks, but then they took the offer to sell Daewoo’s for GM and their reliability went in the crapper. The bikes and trucks still are great but their whole name is synonymous with dog sh*t because they took a chance with selling another manufacturers line and calling it their own. Every Suzuki Verona/Chevy Optica sold was recalled…multiple times. Suzuki issued a no-sale on the car to all dealers and the car was cancelled only after 2 years. The cost of replacing motors and blown heads was horrendous for a small company like Suzuki. It was a disaster for Chevy too.
Take the Suzuki ranking with a grain of salt, just because of Daewoo. But the flip side Daewoo based Aveo ranked third as most dependeable "sub-compact," but the flip side again Suzuki's Aerio ranked 2nd most reliable in the same category. Bah to many flips... lol
Knoxfire Esquire wrote:Am I supposed to believe a study that calls Jaguar dependable?
Ever since Ford took over their relibility issues was cut in half, mostly because of no more British electronics and now the use of proven V8 platforms. Now that Ford is not there, I wonder how reliable they're going to be.
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who would have ever though jag would be at the top, never mind anywhere near the top 10
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thats clearly BS because theres no way Chrysler is above the industry average
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Rodimus Prime wrote:thats clearly BS because theres no way Chrysler is above the industry average
this coming from a guy who has owned nothing but GM all his life
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Yup and my dependability has been exceptional for the amount of abuse that I've put into my cars. My parents on the other hand have owned nothing but Chrysler during the same time.
My dads Neon blew a headgasket at 40k, went through numerous window seals and still sounded like the window was down at speed and leaked during rainstorms, went through 3 ac compressors in 3 years, and half the paint on the roof was coming off. He then got rid of it at 72k miles and got a PT cruiser which had complete brake failure at 15k, power steering died at 20k he finally got the hint and got rid of it after 2 years. He now has a 2005 Ford Ranger which has had zero issues in 3 years.
My mom had a Plymouth breeze which she uses for nothing more than going to work and get groceries. With 30k miles on it the headgasket blew. A short time later something with the timing belt or chain (not sure what that engine uses) broke. Then the ECU completely Died. Three weeks later after it was "fixed" it died again, another ECU and a complete rewiring harness on the entire car was put in. A week later it died again and spent 2 months at the dealership and could not be fixed by a "Five star" service center of Chrysler's. Eventually they just offered her a 03 Neon since they couldn't fix the car.
The Neon has paint falling off, has had some sort of steering vibration issue that had to be fixed at the dealer. Battery died after one year. Thats been pretty much it, which given her past with their products its been "reliable" compared to the other hunks of @!#$ they have had.
During this same time my collectively my GM cars have had a alternator, ebrake cable, and a reverse light. So yea coming from this guy thats owned GM all his life I'd never ever buy a Chrysler product because they are junk.
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So what your saying is your basing your opinion on their 09 reliability based on and entry level lemon your mom bought back in the day that isn't even made anymore?
That seems perfectly logical.
my mom and her husband own and operate a RV sales place and a campground. my mom has a 93 dodge shadow that she uses. has over 100,000 miles on it and never had a problem besides the normal maintenance stuff. also has an 08 dodge avenger with 30,000 miles and so far so good with that one. now her husband needs trucks for his RV business. he has 3 dodge trucks. one is a 1973 with over 300,000 miles and it still runs like a champ. he also has a 94 and a 2001 dodge ram. the 94 has 140,000 and the other has 80,000 miles. so explain that one expert boy
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The biggest single factor in how reliable a vehicle is is how well it is maintained. That's obviously not the only factor, but I believe the biggest single factor. Another big one is how the car is driven, which explains how Buick and Jaguar are anywhere near the top of the list, and why Scion is so much lower than Toyota/ Lexus.
