If I am buying a vehicle I am not looking for safety, I am looking for how well it does what I want it to.
When I'm buying a new vehicle I absolutely pay attention to safety ratings, I'm not buying a death trap nor so I want to have loved ones, friends, family, in my car that's my responsibility knowing its not a safe vehicle.
F safety , ill just drive over it
i honestly do not pay attention to any safety ratings , all that testing doesnt mean jack crap !!!!!!! most of their testing is lopsided , and not done as it happens in the real world
i will say it had to test real world accidents
yeah drive right over it while your getting T-boned by another truck... I guess that never happens in the real world
that was the joke part of it i forgot the LOL
If you read, it states that the models without the side cushion air bags received the poor rating, with they received much better.
BUT still not good !
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I like how this is a big deal, but what happens when an aveo is t-boned by a silverado, ram or titan? Or when a silverado titan or ram is tboned by an aveo? I'd rather be in the truck. This is probably blowen a little out of proporiton.
Short Hand wrote:If you read, it states that the models without the side cushion air bags received the poor rating, with they received much better.
BUT still not good !
Not in this case man, on the Silverado it got a "Poor" with or with out side airbags because of their weak side structure. The others didn't score that much better then "Marginal."
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97cavie24ls wrote:that was the joke part of it i forgot the LOL
The real joke, if you watch the video, is that they called the Honda Ridgeline a truck. HAHAHA
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Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Short Hand wrote:If you read, it states that the models without the side cushion air bags received the poor rating, with they received much better.
BUT still not good !
Not in this case man, on the Silverado it got a "Poor" with or with out side airbags because of their weak side structure. The others didn't score that much better then "Marginal."
hmmm.
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i'm buying a VW those people love trees, so they should love eachother too... "Andy"
ill admit i usually pay no attention to saftey ratings when buying a car, i don't think i have ever checked what the ION is.
It seems like most younger people don't pay attention to safety rating. When I bought my brand new cav I didn't even look at the ratings, but when I bought my Honda the safety ratings definitely factored in.
For example... a porter at work pulled out without looking in a VW, he pulled right out in front of SUV and got t-boned HARD. The VW ended up in the lawn across the street, side air bag blew, the seat belt tightened itself to hold him in place, the windows rolled themselves down, the doors all unlocked themselves, it killed power to the engine, and turned on the lights inside and out, turned the hazards on. It was brand new car, just sold taking it to fill the tank for the first time. The car was totaled but after getting creamed by a 40+ MPH SUV directly in the drivers door the guy got out and walked back across the street to the dealership with nothing more then a scrap on his leg.
And to think there's still idiots out there that think airbags are bag there just to hurt you etc. LOL
my thoughts exactly Darkstars
People usually take safety for granted or dont care about it so much until they start seeing accidents, the results of accidents, are in an accident, know of someone in an accident, have a family, or just realize that the human body was never meant to travel at these speeds and when the piece of tin they are in comes to a sudden stop ...... bad things happen
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The bags in my moms car are disabled because of where she has to sit. They are disabled in my cars because she drives my 98 on occasion and when I totaled my 00 (23 MPH into an Envoy, no power assist when I hit the brakes) I never even touched the bag. Personally I dont want all the extra safety BS on my car. It adds weight, complexity, and cost I dont want. Bumpers yes, air bags in every direction no. When I totaled my 00 just the SIR related components (including the windshield as it would have survived without bag deployment) had an estimate of almost $3000 to replace. There was no benefit to my by the bags blowing.
mitdr774 wrote:There was no benefit to my by the bags blowing.
in that specific situation
Now how about in a different car and in a different kind of accident?
the point I am trying to get at without beating around the bush is that, statistically, cars are increasingly safer *with* all of these extra safety features including multiple air bags as opposed to without them.
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1996blackHB wrote:mitdr774 wrote:There was no benefit to my by the bags blowing.
in that specific situation
Now how about in a different car and in a different kind of accident?
the point I am trying to get at without beating around the bush is that, statistically, cars are increasingly safer *with* all of these extra safety features including multiple air bags as opposed to without them.
If you are wearing your seat belt you should never need the front air bag in a frontal collision. If a bag goes off and my mom is driving it will blow up in her face. We have a letter from the state permitting us to disable the bags in her car for this very reason. Personally I DO NOT want the extra @!#$ they put in cars now. If I could order a car without the extra crap and it was reflected in the price, I would.
Its pretty common to total out a car nowdays from a not so severe crash... a Jetta for example, you get git on a front corner with a driver and passenger in the car. Your replacing both front air bags, steering wheel, steering column, part of the dash, side airbag, the seat, both front seat belts, both front seat belt buckles, any damage to the door panel the side bag may cause, the windshield .... and then any body body damage from the accident, yeah you probably totaled it. I'd rather walk away safe and sound and have to buy a new car then risk major injury to save some money and be stuck driving a a wrecked car that got fixed.... they are never fixed after an accident.
The airbags nowadays are a lot smarter then the bags in your 00 cavalier. (I'm gonna use VW as an example again because this is what I know specifics about, its what I do for a living) its not as simple as you crash so bags blow off in every direction. The car looks at all the crash sensors, if you have a passenger in the car, if there is a passenger how much they weigh, if everyone is buckled up, if your on the gas or brake and how hard, the angle you have the steering wheel turned, it looks at the yaw and acceleration sensors, etc. and it decides how to go about getting you out safely. If the passenger seat is empty the bag will not deploy, if it sees a kid in the seat it may not deploy the bag, if it does it will be a lot slower, gentler rate and it wont retract the seat belt as hard, if your a full size heavy adult its gonna blow the bag hard and fast the seat belt will tension itself back about 8 inches and will stretch to absorb the force of you coming forward, as your pulled into the seat the headrest is gonna come all way forward to the back of your head.
Chances are if your airbag deployed and if didn't touch you (not you specifically, general statement) your either lucky, or you never read your owners manual that tells you adjust your seat so your sitting at a specific relation to the steering wheel.
I know how air bags work, I used to work on GM vehicles for a living.
The car would have probably been a total regardless of the bags but they could have still gone off in a much less severe crash. I adjust me seat to where I need it to be for comfort and control. I have fairly long legs so I dont have to sit on top of the wheel even though I am short. My mom at 4'11" has to sit right on top of the wheel and as a result the bag is damn near in her face before it even goes off. Some people cant put the seat where it is ideal. Even in my crash I was able to open my door (part way at least) and get out on my own. The only damage done was when one of my lenses came out of my glasses, hurray for glass lenses.
just because your mom is way way WAY shorter then average doesn't make safety equipment a bad thing. Obviously it wasn't designed for her size so its not going to benefit her but there's a reason so much of it is standard nowadays, because its proven effective at saving lives.
I use my mom as an example because it shows that the system is not ideal for all people. You can make it as "smart" as you want but it still will not be ideal for all people. In her case it could do far more harm than the crash itself. I chose to disable it because I do not feel that it will be of any help to me and may actually do more harm. If you want 20 air bags in your car that is your choice. I dont even want 2 in my car, that is my choice.
Darkstars wrote:a porter at work pulled out without looking in a VW, he pulled right out in front of SUV and got t-boned HARD. The VW ended up in the lawn across the street, side air bag blew, the seat belt tightened itself to hold him in place, the windows rolled themselves down,
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but hopefully in a rollover such would not occur. I believe the windows help structural integrity in a scenario such as a rollover.
I could care-less about the rest of the piss matches.
Just curious.
