The reason GM can't just shut down unnecessary and redundant brands.




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don't have to shut them down completely, but it would be hard to sell a whole lot filled with magenta pursuits.

keep a pontiac model and one only for them to sell, a magenta pursuit would be sweet eh. or the dealers and manufacturers can try to work together, either way everyone involved has to give for any of them to get in the future.

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Pontiac isn't going ANYWHERE.

mitdr774 wrote:G8 is going away regardless. That was anounced a while ago.

really? any specific reasoning?




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1996blackHB wrote:

mitdr774 wrote:G8 is going away regardless. That was anounced a while ago.

really? any specific reasoning?

GM and Holden (which, is a GM owned company) have a specific deal to use their designs in the US for a limited time. Hence why the GTO was only around for a few years, and the G8 will be suffering a similar fate. 1 generation of the G8, and its gone. And actually, that makes me kinda sad to see, since Holden builds some beautiful cars.

But, here is my total plan for the Big 3, as I posted somewhere else.

ersonally, I would not want either of the big 3 to go down, for various reasons. Ive been looking a lot at what GM in particular should do, and here would be my plan as follows for the brands

Chevy - Keep it to entry level cars/light trucks. Stuff like the Cobalt, Silverado, and Malibu should stay. Camaro can stay.
Ponatic - Make this the "fun" division. Sporty FWD, AWD, and RWD drive cars. Elimate the Cobalt SS, move it to the G5 GXP. Move the Solistace out, and use only the Sky. Keep redline variant. GTO stays, as does G8 sedan.
Buick - GTFO. Its all duplicates from other GM brands. Let it be in China though, they love it there.
Hummer - Sell it, or dump it. No need for any of these things to be on the road any more.
Saab - Sell it, or do a better job of branding the car. Prefer sell it though
Saturn - Make it the Opel for the USA. I don't care if they kill Saturn, and bring Opel here as a whole, that works for me too.
GMC - Trucks and fleet vans. That is all.
Corvette - Give it its own brand.
Caddy - Keep it as the luxury brand. Continue the variants for CTS, STS, and Esclade (face it, it sells well). Get rid of the EXT version though.

Also, random note, continue GMPP program for sporty cars as well.

Ford would be a little different:

Ford - Keep as is really. Not a whole lot to change here. Kill Mustang variants but base, GT, and maybe 1 level above the GT (something to compete with the ZR-1)
Volvo - Brand it better, European styling is damn amazing.
Mazda - The fun brand. Again, sporty type cars. RX-8, Miata, MazdaSpeed projects are all staying. Everything else, GTFO.
Lincoln - Luxury brand. Give them some sport-luxury cars if needed (Think Mustang GT, but slightly better styling, and better interior)

Continue Ford Racing program, as well as MazdaSpeed. Or, bring them together, and give it a new name.

And finally, the company that is in the biggest crap-hole, Chrysler.

Chrysler - Entry to mid-level cars. Kill 300c, move to a more luxury brand image
Dodge - Again, fun, performance orianted cars.
Jeep - Leave nameplate, but get rid of Patriot and Liberty. These are the bastard children of the company

Performance should stay under Mopar, but also start using factory accessories for lifting Jeeps, and parts for light off-road use. If they are willing to factory support a 400hp Neon, why not a 3" lifted jeep?

Other then that, I've got nothing.

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Why they decided to keep Buick and GMC is beyond me. Buick hasn't made anything worthwile since the Turbo Regals of the 80's and GMC is just a copy of Chevy trucks and suv's. "Let's keep GMC even though americans aren't buying trucks and SUV's" Dump Buick and GMC for Saturn and Pontiac. Turn Pontiac into a niche performance brand and turn Saturn into a 'green' brand. Hummer keep and add a bunch of hybrid models to change thier image.

GM doesn't make any cars that interest me. Our next cars will be a Subaru and either a Mini or a Mazda.


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Spike J wrote:Why they decided to keep Buick and GMC is beyond me. Buick hasn't made anything worthwile since the Turbo Regals of the 80's and GMC is just a copy of Chevy trucks and suv's. "Let's keep GMC even though americans aren't buying trucks and SUV's" Dump Buick and GMC for Saturn and Pontiac. Turn Pontiac into a niche performance brand and turn Saturn into a 'green' brand. Hummer keep and add a bunch of hybrid models to change thier image.

GMC do very well with their commercial vehicles and Buicks sells like hot cakes in china... thus why they are keeping them both
i think it would be wise to kill the consumer line up of GMC vehicles. as well as kill Buick in the states as its an unneeded brand here with Cadillac being around.
GM already killed their chances of turning Saturn into a "green" brand years ago.
there is no need for Hummer... at all

Buick could replace Pontiac if you think about. For one thing, when's the last time that Pontiac truly has lived up to the "excitement" division? Everything it's ever offered in the last twenty years with the sole exception of the Fiero, new GTO, G6 convertible and G8 has also been offered by either Chevy or Buick (Hell, an argument could be made that the G8 is just a Cadillac CTS wannabe). I love Poncho's, but they long stopped being genuinely unique a long time ago.

Most twentysomethings today don't remember the original GTO and the new one never did get much of a reputation, but they do remember the legendary Grand National. See where this could be going? GM is trying to get away from V8s and into boosted V6s, so what better to this than with the GN or GNX? It'd bring back a nameplate that kids today know and at the same time allow GM to hit their CAFE goals. Ten bucks says they bring back the Syclone or Typhoon too. Hell, I'm surprised they haven't already.