I cant stand people that try and talk down the gtr and what its doing. frankly I think its a bunch of whiners that just what there beloved z06 to still hold the spot light of the under dog king. the car is amazing yes its pathetic that it is a delicate car, but for the price and handling capabilitys the thing is bad ass no questions asked
with that said watch this.
it put the ball back in our corner,
zr1 bitch slaps GTR
P.S. theres only two arguments you can make to save GTR's pride, and thats price, which doesnt hold up. (trying buying one for less then the GTR) and two its got 200 less HP. but when you look at the numbers its an all wheel drive car that drops the numbers a bit, not to mention that the zr1 is still a standard manual trans with FUUCKING LEAF SPRINGS
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Well, techincally it's not
really leaf springs. At least not like Jeep CJ7 like conventional leaf springs. But still none the less it's not as advanced as what Nissan put in the GTR. GM is really doing amazing things with old suspension technology lately. You got this and the beam axle in the Cobalt out-handling far more advanced set ups from Subaru and Mitsubishi.
GM is really coming back strong. Good for them.
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Jcavi wrote: with FUUCKING LEAF SPRINGS
And? The engine still has pushrods
There's something to be said about "it works". Just like all the toolboxes who bash GM for keeping the Cobalt as a trailing axle, but the SS is outhandling just about any other stock front drive car out there, IRS or not. I'd much rather have a car with a beam axle that pulls .90G on the skidpad than an IRS car that pulls .80.
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In all honesty I just trust the Vette heritage.
The GTR seems to be some what of a hype car to me.
It's really what a person wants, and an 11 sec car stock is pretty great... imagine if they put some Duece boost on it:0)
Besides it's only a matter of time before GM revamps certain weekness's.. like in the first BoltSS, and now look at it.
Impressive show by the GTR by all means, but I still belive with tweaking and changes the vette will still be the more capable car.
But again thats just my 2cents, to each his own I say
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Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote:Jcavi wrote: with FUUCKING LEAF SPRINGS
And? The engine still has pushrods There's something to be said about "it works". Just like all the toolboxes who bash GM for keeping the Cobalt as a trailing axle, but the SS is outhandling just about any other stock front drive car out there, IRS or not. I'd much rather have a car with a beam axle that pulls .90G on the skidpad than an IRS car that pulls .80.
Skidpad tests is a mearurement tire adheasion not suspension hardware.
part true....
if both vehicles had the same tires, then grip would also be controlled by suspention hardware
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I would rather own the zr1 but I do have do defend nissan a little bit by saying that the zr1 is the ultimate tuned vette where as the v-spec gtr would be nissan's equivalent and it isn't out yet.
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yellow cavy (s/c L61) wrote:I would rather own the zr1 but I do have do defend nissan a little bit by saying that the zr1 is the ultimate tuned vette where as the v-spec gtr would be nissan's equivalent and it isn't out yet.
Thats what I've noticed when I saw the video. If I remember corerctly, the GTR was pitter against the Z06 and a Porsche, which it dominated both. Then out comes the ZR-1 Corvette, which is a faster better tuned version of the Z06, and it beats the GT-R.
We''ll have to wait until Nissan bring out the V-Spec model and see how it competes with the ZR-1. =/
Bob wrote:yellow cavy (s/c L61) wrote:I would rather own the zr1 but I do have do defend nissan a little bit by saying that the zr1 is the ultimate tuned vette where as the v-spec gtr would be nissan's equivalent and it isn't out yet.
Thats what I've noticed when I saw the video. If I remember corerctly, the GTR was pitter against the Z06 and a Porsche, which it dominated both. Then out comes the ZR-1 Corvette, which is a faster better tuned version of the Z06, and it beats the GT-R.
We''ll have to wait until Nissan bring out the V-Spec model and see how it competes with the ZR-1. =/
actually the skyline was named "ZR1 killer" or something like that. theres a video of a ZO6 pulling it from a roll, never mind a ZR1. the ZR1 isnt a tuned version of the Z06. the ZO6 uses the 427 7 liter I think the ZR1 is a modded LS3? 6.2 or 6.3? someone can correct me on that one.
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JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote:Jcavi wrote: with FUUCKING LEAF SPRINGS
And? The engine still has pushrods There's something to be said about "it works". Just like all the toolboxes who bash GM for keeping the Cobalt as a trailing axle, but the SS is outhandling just about any other stock front drive car out there, IRS or not. I'd much rather have a car with a beam axle that pulls .90G on the skidpad than an IRS car that pulls .80.
hell yeah I love that about GM. I mean im sure alot of it is cost related, there really just trying to compeate with the japs and still make a decent product. but it says something about a company that knows how to make @!#$ work.
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only 505rwhp? at a rated 630
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Jcavi wrote:wheel VS. engine
which is still a 20% loss through drivetrain.
Personally, I
might be able to accept that out of an AWD slush-box but not a RWD stick.
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yes that's total unacceptable, what a piece of crap, its slow
if you actually had some money and you were int he market I'm sure would all be able to accept that
Darkstars wrote:yes that's total unacceptable, what a piece of crap, its slow
if you actually had some money and you were int he market I'm sure would all be able to accept that
Ryan, I'm not saying I wouldn't purchase it, I'm just saying I highly doubt their rated 630 FWHP is all...especially considering they keep stammering about its remarkable gas mileage as well. I have never heard of any modern standard trans perform that poorly.
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Whalesac wrote:Darkstars wrote:yes that's total unacceptable, what a piece of crap, its slow
if you actually had some money and you were int he market I'm sure would all be able to accept that
Ryan, I'm not saying I wouldn't purchase it, I'm just saying I highly doubt their rated 630 FWHP is all...especially considering they keep stammering about its remarkable gas mileage as well. I have never heard of any modern standard trans perform that poorly.
Dont all cars powerratings have to be certified by SAE? maybe some 1 can confirm or deny
I know all GM cars are (if they have 2 be or not) so if the Vette states 630hp then that ATLEAST what it makes at the FW. With SAE they can understate but not over.
nasty04cav wrote:Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote:Jcavi wrote: with FUUCKING LEAF SPRINGS
And? The engine still has pushrods There's something to be said about "it works". Just like all the toolboxes who bash GM for keeping the Cobalt as a trailing axle, but the SS is outhandling just about any other stock front drive car out there, IRS or not. I'd much rather have a car with a beam axle that pulls .90G on the skidpad than an IRS car that pulls .80.
Skidpad tests is a mearurement tire adheasion not suspension hardware.
more explaination into this please? wouldnt suspension and other factors have to play into this. Other wise i could just throw on some nice tires and pull 1.3g in my cherokee. I see where tires play a huge role, but more has to come into play.
It could, but the skidpad test is a measurement of tire adheasion. On your example of the Cherokee, it won't hit 1.3g because of center of gravity as it may just tip over while doing the test. But you may achieve low tomid .80s with summer tires and may get near .90 with slicks as opposed to a .70 with all season.
The actual test consist of a 800ft circle going around and around untill your tires give up and when they do your G rating is then recorded.
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susp plays a huge role in a skid pad ...... we use skid pad data to help tune the circle track cars ( just for a base ) and everything comes into play tires susp, camber, cross weight, front to rear weight ratio, all of it plays a role ..
Jcavi wrote:wheel VS. engine
I knew that
And I know on thecobalt SS Sc the ecu limits the motor until a certain mileage.. could this be the same?
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