"This one is too late to stop. That’s almost finished. It’s in the final stages of tuning,” Bob Lutz, vice chairman in charge of product development.
Blue Devil is still on track, despite a gestation period that Lutz described as challenging, in acknowledging, for the first time, the car’s existence. “It’s a very difficult vehicle development. This thing has so much power that we have to explore a dynamic envelope that we’ve never explored before. We want the vehicle to be safe and we want it to be predictable, even at speeds that no mortal is ever going to attain in the United States. That’s our obligation. We’re really into a speed and power realm that General Motors has never been in before. We’re way up there with Porsche Carrera GTs and Ferraris.”
Lutz won’t talk engine details except to say the displacement of the new powertrain is greater than the pushrod 7.0-liter V-8 in the Z06.
In terms of horsepower, Lutz said: “We’re certainly not going to be at 600 because some of our competition is at 600. So, 600 is a number that is not satisfactory for us. I would say comfortably in excess of 600 is the way I would term it.” As for 700 horses, “that would be a stretch. Tom Stephens (GM’s head of powertrain) would say, ‘maybe in the second year.’”
As for torque expectations, Lutz said he really doesn’t know. “We’re obviously going to have to restrict it because otherwise you get nothing but wheelspin. So those are some of the problems, is how to get power to the ground.”
The product guru is not saying when the beast will bow publicly for the first time, but the expectation is early in the 2008 auto show circuit as we anticipate a 2009 model year designation for the limited run (1500-2000) built a year.
And it’s still anyone’s guess as to its name. While Lutz referred to it as the Blue Devil.
Given its lengthy development, and Lutz’s assertion it is proving “almost as tough as an all-new Corvette,” Blue Devil might be apropos by the time this $100,000-plus monster makes it to market.
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Maybe all that development time is for the AWD they said wouldn't happen.
They should talk to the MotoGP mechanics. They manage to tame a 250+ HP motocycle. They can get thew power down without excessive wheelspin. I understand their traction control systems cost somewhere in the range of 80K but they must have some affordable tips they could give.
PAX
PS: This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated
- Mitch Hedberg (RIP)
cool
i still want more rwd , if putz cant do it , I WILL
Hahahaha wrote:They should talk to the MotoGP mechanics. They manage to tame a 250+ HP motocycle. They can get thew power down without excessive wheelspin. I understand their traction control systems cost somewhere in the range of 80K but they must have some affordable tips they could give.
PAX
True, but that bike doesn't have 250 lb ft of tq either does it.
a motor w 650hp 650tq could be challenging especially if it makes a bulk of its tq at lower rpms.
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....and I'm sure they wouldn't have as many problems if they could use slicks or basically illegal (in the sense non-DOT approved tires) like the MotoGP boys do.
Capo di tutti capi wrote:Maybe all that development time is for the AWD they said wouldn't happen.
if there was a system devolped for pushbutton awd..and normal rwd that would be cool...otherwise just rwd
man they should make an AWD one with like 650hp... that would be insain!!!! i know our vette with 700rwhp pulls like a @!#$ bat out of hell (has no problem leaving my buddies gixxer 1000 behind) when its like 18-20 degrees out but thats still with a fair amount of wheel spin... so AWD in somthing with this much power .. i cant even imagine how hard it would pull...
The First Twin Charged jbody
blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno
Sappy96 wrote:Hahahaha wrote:They should talk to the MotoGP mechanics. They manage to tame a 250+ HP motocycle. They can get thew power down without excessive wheelspin. I understand their traction control systems cost somewhere in the range of 80K but they must have some affordable tips they could give.
PAX
True, but that bike doesn't have 250 lb ft of tq either does it.
a motor w 650hp 650tq could be challenging especially if it makes a bulk of its tq at lower rpms.
rolls eyes
yes cuz torque is the end all be all of traction issues
get a clue
wow, its so awesome theyre actually gonna build it!!!!
whats not so awesome is that I could never afford it....
themarin8r wrote:Sappy96 wrote:Hahahaha wrote:They should talk to the MotoGP mechanics. They manage to tame a 250+ HP motocycle. They can get thew power down without excessive wheelspin. I understand their traction control systems cost somewhere in the range of 80K but they must have some affordable tips they could give.
PAX
True, but that bike doesn't have 250 lb ft of tq either does it.
a motor w 650hp 650tq could be challenging especially if it makes a bulk of its tq at lower rpms.
rolls eyes
yes cuz torque is the end all be all of traction issues
get a clue
OK smart ass.
God I am sick of your @!#$ty attitude.
If you want to dispute something at least explain it instead of acting like a snooby prick.
@!#$.
I did not say it was now did I?
A lot of torque at low RPMs can cause alot of traction problems. I guess I am wrong though because you say so....
God, what a homo.
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themarin8r wrote:Sappy96 wrote:Hahahaha wrote:They should talk to the MotoGP mechanics. They manage to tame a 250+ HP motocycle. They can get thew power down without excessive wheelspin. I understand their traction control systems cost somewhere in the range of 80K but they must have some affordable tips they could give.
PAX
True, but that bike doesn't have 250 lb ft of tq either does it.
a motor w 650hp 650tq could be challenging especially if it makes a bulk of its tq at lower rpms.
rolls eyes
yes cuz torque is the end all be all of traction issues
get a clue
lol, ok then
what else causes traction issues? please....enlighten us
Why blizzaks of course.
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Jeremy....you might want to retract that comment
Because that is the cause of
most traction issues
..................Which car will hit 400 whp first???..................
i thought the LS9 was supposed to have a
smaller displacement than the LS7... so does that mean the LS9 isnt going into the new vette? and... it it still going to be supercharged? (i know, questions no one knows for sure... but these are the ones rollin around in my head, not "how are they gonna make it so stupid every day drivers can drive a 600+hp, 200+mph car and not kill themselves")
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
I dont think they can. I think they need to make it so they won't be driving down the street at 55 miles and hour and kill themselves.
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i didnt say they
would be driving 200 mph. i said it was possible for it to. that much power is a lot at any speed. and honestly not handlable by most. but i dont think detuning the engine and adding so much traction controll that it bogs down at launch is the end all answer. sure, computer aided electronics will help big time, but IMO, a safe driving course, as well as a performance driving course, should be given with the purchase of the vehicle to ensure drivers have first hand experience with just about any handing condition they could come into contact with.
anyway, about the engine. want more specifics. if you can dig em up, that'd be great. i've seen the pictures of the "LS9", but if i remember correctly that was a truck engine. any specs on the vette engine?
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
I know you didn't. It is alot of power true. I am sure they will have a huge dose of tq management like the ls2 gtos did.
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Well, very exciting to hear about the "Blue Devil" super vette becoming a reality. The
Duntov ZL-1 Corvette of the 1960's (3 still exist, right?) would have made any european exotic car look slow at any track in the world. But it never made it to the showrooms or the street for that matter. Glad to see the Blue Devil super vette will make it the showroom and the streets to finally show even the most exotic car its taillights!
Sappy96 wrote:I know you didn't. It is alot of power true. I am sure they will have a huge dose of tq management like the ls2 gtos did.
grrrr, tq management is the devil (has a habbit of giving GTP's KR by cutting fuel)
and about the name... i hope they can come up with something catchy. ZR1 is out, unless it's a DOHC engine, which i doubt. ZL1 i would put up with, though the production ZL package was a camaro option (which they'd better bring back with the new one, 427 drag pack, mmmmmm). SS would be cool.... but not too many people know of the original corvette ss. and blue devil is their code name for the prototype vettes, so that wont make it into production. oh the choices!
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
C6 R
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Sappy96 wrote:C6 R
but they race that one! what're they gonna call the race car then? the C6 fast as f**k? ooo, that's a good name for the street car. the C6 FAF
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
C6 type r lol
c6 type s
I have no idea. Better be something cool.
ooo Mongoose.
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