Fun to drive: Cadillac CTS-V
Small sedan: Ford Focus ZX4 SES
Family sedan: Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan
Upscale sedan: Lincoln MKZ
Luxury sedan: Cadillac DTS
Small SUV: Pontiac Torrent
Midsized SUV: Ford Freestyle
Minivan: (None apply)
Budget car: Ford Focus ZX3
Green car: (None apply)
Story found here.
And you all say that CR does not like domestics... .
>>>For Sale? Clicky!<<<
-----The orginal Mr.Goodwrench on the JBO since 11/99-----
Quote:
the Chevrolet Corvette isn't reliable enough to allow us to recommend it or the rocket-ship Z06 version.
I wonder what they're talking about?
*****************************************************
*
* Student of the University of Oklahoma. Go Sooners!
*
*****************************************************
A w-body should be in there.
I will never recodnise any listing like this anyway. Statistics are too easy to say what you want to say. Everyone has their own motives.
CR are retarded.
If mr. goodwrenches car has a problem he rates as a 10 but I have the same problem but rank it a 5 how the heck is that supposed to work.
It doesn't.
05 M6 YJ GTO 1 of 447 12.767@109.93
i hate CR...thier reports, even on domestics are incredibly biased towards Jap imports. they seem to take the best out there, use it as the standard and compare all to it (grading on a curve), instead of looking at production numbers vs failures in the case of reliability for example. of course a C6 will look unreliable when compared to an accord...
_________________________________________________________________
Looking for something new? How about an off topic forum where you can truly express your opinions without interference of mods or admins?
Join verbalwarfare.com
http://www.verbalwarfare.com/forum.php?referrerid=86
I think they didn't test the c6 cause they are a bunch of weak pansies and were scared of it.
CR Guy 1: Oh my goodness, it has 400 HP, and Rear wheel drive. Did we stock up on adult diapers?
CR Guy 2: Well, the last guy used them up testing a Solstice GXP. Somebody should tell the Car makers that anything with rearwheel drive and more than 200hp is a death trap.
CR Guy 1: Yeah, Well, I guess we can't test it then. We will just say it's got bad paint or the shifter is too heavy for us.
CR Guy 2: Well it is American we could just lean on that unreliability thing we've been saying forever....
CR Guy 1: You're a genius.
Tech Tone Blog
Looks like Ford takes the win in the Domestics. Ford: 5 GM: 3.
Also, they do test on how comfortable the car is, they don't base it just on speed. Typical jbody members bitching about why the corvette isnt #1.
Quote:
Statistics are too easy to say what you want to say. Everyone has their own motives.
Which is why this magazine is famous for giving their own opinion, which is why people listen to what they say.
dan
Capo di tutti capi wrote:I think they didn't test the c6 cause they are a bunch of weak pansies and were scared of it.
CR Guy 1: Oh my goodness, it has 400 HP, and Rear wheel drive. Did we stock up on adult diapers?
CR Guy 2: Well, the last guy used them up testing a Solstice GXP. Somebody should tell the Car makers that anything with rearwheel drive and more than 200hp is a death trap.
CR Guy 1: Yeah, Well, I guess we can't test it then. We will just say it's got bad paint or the shifter is too heavy for us.
CR Guy 2: Well it is American we could just lean on that unreliability thing we've been saying forever....
CR Guy 1: You're a genius.
that was awesome.
on a side note...how could ford cars are rated so highly but their sales are horrible?
<img src="http://registry.gmenthusiast.com/images/jiggaman/personal_pic.jpg">
James Larsen wrote:Quote:
the Chevrolet Corvette isn't reliable enough to allow us to recommend it or the rocket-ship Z06 version.
I wonder what they're talking about?
There talking about the ford money lining their pockets. Thats absolutely rediculous.
Also the biggest problem as Sappy96 said is what your definition of reliability and problems is. IMO if the engine runs the transmission shifts and the guages work there are no problems.
However for some if an interior dome light goes out the car isn't reliable.
Theres also a lot of bias. People who love foreign cars for the most part often will rave about reliability even if they have to drop a few hundred a month into them, but the same person driving a cavalier that has to get new brake pads because there squealing is unreliable.
My sunfire is the MOST reliable car I've ever owned or driven, and its been abused the most. It hasn't cost me anything other than oil, gas, tires, and brake pads since I purchased it. But if you go check reports on it it doesn't get a 5 out of 5 in reliability.
All perspective and bias. The best review is your own test drive and looking thru the maintenence forum on the car enthusiasts websites. That when you find the real problems and truly know if the car is for you or not.
-Chris
97cavy22 wrote:CSK aka PROCOLD wrote:Capo di tutti capi wrote:I think they didn't test the c6 cause they are a bunch of weak pansies and were scared of it.
CR Guy 1: Oh my goodness, it has 400 HP, and Rear wheel drive. Did we stock up on adult diapers?
CR Guy 2: Well, the last guy used them up testing a Solstice GXP. Somebody should tell the Car makers that anything with rearwheel drive and more than 200hp is a death trap.
CR Guy 1: Yeah, Well, I guess we can't test it then. We will just say it's got bad paint or the shifter is too heavy for us.
CR Guy 2: Well it is American we could just lean on that unreliability thing we've been saying forever....
CR Guy 1: You're a genius.
that was awesome.
on a side note...how could ford cars are rated so highly but their sales are horrible?
lol awesome
I would have agreed with this point ... but ... they did choose the cts-v. So, your theory is pretty much shot down.
dan
dubduce18s wrote:
Which is why this magazine is famous for giving their own opinion, which is why people listen to what they say.
dan
No, this magazine is famous for biased it its reporting standards.
05 M6 YJ GTO 1 of 447 12.767@109.93
C&D , motor trend , and similar magazines are all biased
some of the bias comes from the same way we all are , we like what we like , and wont accept anything else
the rest comes from the all-mighty dollar , and ignorance
dubduce18s wrote:97cavy22 wrote:CSK aka PROCOLD wrote:Capo di tutti capi wrote:I think they didn't test the c6 cause they are a bunch of weak pansies and were scared of it.
CR Guy 1: Oh my goodness, it has 400 HP, and Rear wheel drive. Did we stock up on adult diapers?
CR Guy 2: Well, the last guy used them up testing a Solstice GXP. Somebody should tell the Car makers that anything with rearwheel drive and more than 200hp is a death trap.
CR Guy 1: Yeah, Well, I guess we can't test it then. We will just say it's got bad paint or the shifter is too heavy for us.
CR Guy 2: Well it is American we could just lean on that unreliability thing we've been saying forever....
CR Guy 1: You're a genius.
that was awesome.
on a side note...how could ford cars are rated so highly but their sales are horrible?
lol awesome
I would have agreed with this point ... but ... they did choose the cts-v. So, your theory is pretty much shot down.
dan
They paid me to drive it. Theory comes back from the dead....
lol
Tech Tone Blog
Craig Lewis wrote:Statistics are too easy to say what you want to say. Everyone has their own motives.
36.9% of statistics are made up on the spot.
It is so easy to be bias. I know that the new Civic is a great car, but I hate it more than anything else out there. But I love the Pontiac G5, even though the Civic is quieter, safer, rides & handles better, and is more efficient. I base my opinions on time spent with the car. If I like my car, who cares what CR has to say about it.
I fail to see how anything made by ford is on that list
The focus and escort are probably the worst small cars on the market, id rather own a kia
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
Rodimus Prime wrote:I fail to see how anything made by ford is on that list
The focus and escort are probably the worst small cars on the market, id rather own a kia
ignorance is bliss
since the escort isn't even made anymore
and the focus is twice the car the j-body ever was
IamRascal wrote:James Larsen wrote:Quote:
the Chevrolet Corvette isn't reliable enough to allow us to recommend it or the rocket-ship Z06 version.
I wonder what they're talking about?
There talking about the ford money lining their pockets. Thats absolutely ridiculous.
i agree that it is ridiculous, but the ford money comment is just as ridiculous...
Well the focus power plant was never twice as good as the jbodies.
For the price the J was a better deal unless you were into auto-x.
05 M6 YJ GTO 1 of 447 12.767@109.93
focus?
are you kidding me
they are the most problematic pieces of @!#$ on the level of mopar cars
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
themarin8r wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I fail to see how anything made by ford is on that list
The focus and escort are probably the worst small cars on the market, id rather own a kia
ignorance is bliss
since the escort isn't even made anymore
and the focus is twice the car the j-body ever was
True. And the 10 year old Focus platform is still a more advance then any compacts errr sub-compacts GM has to offer today. What can you expect, the Delta chassis are still bloody old.
The only thing Focus is lacking is their engine power rating, w/e cram a V8 in there (Ford Racing) and call it a day.
Or bring the Euro Focus here.
>>>For Sale? Clicky!<<<
-----The orginal Mr.Goodwrench on the JBO since 11/99-----
I know of quite a few focus owners that had so many problems they ended up getting rid of them after not even having half the car paid off.
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
I have to fix my friend's focus's all the time. I do not see how they made the list.
PRND321 Till I DIE
Old Motor: 160whp & 152ft/lbs, 1/4 Mile 15.4 @88.2
M45 + LD9 + 4T40-E, GO GO GO
