A point I've been trying to make here for years... Keep it in mind next time you decide to "buy American".
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Yet, by a crucial measure, the Sienna is far more American than the Mustang. Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only 65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada. Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled in Indiana with 90% local components.
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But the Profits go to Japan.....
NfamousZ24 wrote:But the Profits go to Japan.....
That's true. At least they both employ American workers to build them.
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
Here's something else to think about...
Toyota, Honda, et al, all do this to keep protectionist legislation and other public policy bad news events from happening. Yes, they are manufacturing here, but this still has more to do with PR than manufacturing, IMHO. If it wasn't about manufacturing, why did these companies insist on using their Japanese suppliers for their parts rather than Delphi, Bosch, etc.? Now that they've been here a few years, they've opened up to 'other' suppliers. But the logic remains the same. If American workers can produce their cars to their high quality standards, why couldn't the same people working at the suppliers get the same accolades?
If in the wildest nightmare scenario they were able to buy out (or just plain kill) GM and Ford (I don't consider DCX an American car company anymore) and completely eliminate their production, how long do you think it would be before those 'American' plants were shuttered? Just like in the days before all of the transplant manufacturing plants here in the 'States, container ship after container ship would come over here and deposit their contents on our shores.
Competition is good. More choice are almost always better. Stamp out hegemony!
George (geozinger)
'95 Sunfire GT-my second Pontiac from Hell!
'97 Cavy Beater-still running like a champ!
'04 Sunfire - my kid's car, but I get the bills...
'09 Pontiac G6 - Sport Package 1
Rather give my money to the blue-collar workers here and have the profits go to Japan, then to give my money to overseas blue-collar workers and have the profits here.
In the long run, it's the blue-workers that move our US economy and I rather have them with jobs.
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A point I've been trying to make here for years... Keep it in mind next time you decide to "buy American".
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Yet, by a crucial measure, the Sienna is far more American than the Mustang. Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only 65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada. Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled in Indiana with 90% local components.
And this has just come to your attention now? Where have you been, they have pretty much always done that.
Z-unit wrote:Quote:
A point I've been trying to make here for years... Keep it in mind next time you decide to "buy American".
Quote:
Yet, by a crucial measure, the Sienna is far more American than the Mustang. Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only 65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada. Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled in Indiana with 90% local components.
And this has just come to your attention now? Where have you been, they have pretty much always done that.
No @!#$ ... all you had to do is read the price sticker instead of waiting for some "research and development" team to "test" their "theory"
dan
NfamousZ24 wrote:But the Profits go to Japan.....
Profits go to Japan? You buy an "import" that is made in the US that money goes to help pay the salary of 1000's of blue collar workers in america and maybe a several dozen execs on both sides of the pond. That is compared to 1000's of blue collar workers some where else and a few dozen execs here. Would you rathewr support 1000's of working class in your country or a few already very rich in your country?
geozinger wrote:Here's something else to think about...
Toyota, Honda, et al, all do this to keep protectionist legislation and other public policy bad news events from happening. Yes, they are manufacturing here, but this still has more to do with PR than manufacturing, IMHO. If it wasn't about manufacturing, why did these companies insist on using their Japanese suppliers for their parts rather than Delphi, Bosch, etc.? Now that they've been here a few years, they've opened up to 'other' suppliers. But the logic remains the same. If American workers can produce their cars to their high quality standards, why couldn't the same people working at the suppliers get the same accolades?
If in the wildest nightmare scenario they were able to buy out (or just plain kill) GM and Ford (I don't consider DCX an American car company anymore) and completely eliminate their production, how long do you think it would be before those 'American' plants were shuttered? Just like in the days before all of the transplant manufacturing plants here in the 'States, container ship after container ship would come over here and deposit their contents on our shores.
Competition is good. More choice are almost always better. Stamp out hegemony!
Are you suggesting that these companies are working to wipe GM and Ford out and then once they've managed that are just gonna pull out and take the jobs with them?
Z-unit wrote:Quote:
A point I've been trying to make here for years... Keep it in mind next time you decide to "buy American".
Quote:
Yet, by a crucial measure, the Sienna is far more American than the Mustang. Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only 65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada. Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled in Indiana with 90% local components.
And this has just come to your attention now? Where have you been, they have pretty much always done that.
Ummm.. no this hasn't.. the first words of my post were "A point I've been trying to make here for years"
brew-san wrote:NfamousZ24 wrote:But the Profits go to Japan.....
Profits go to Japan? You buy an "import" that is made in the US that money goes to help pay the salary of 1000's of blue collar workers in america and maybe a several dozen execs on both sides of the pond. That is compared to 1000's of blue collar workers some where else and a few dozen execs here. Would you rathewr support 1000's of working class in your country or a few already very rich in your country?
That's one reason why I bought a Sunfire. The factory is about 15 miles from my house so I'm supporting people that live in my community. GM buys lots of parts from companies that are around here, supporting more local guys. My Dad also worked 29 years for GM. GM bought me all my Christmas and birthday presents since I was about 5. I also make signs for a living and when Lordstown built the new paint shop we made signs to direct the truck traffic around the site. That's GM money directly in my pocket. Not to sound mean but Honda has never bought me anything, or Ford for that matter.
dubduce18s wrote:Z-unit wrote:Quote:
A point I've been trying to make here for years... Keep it in mind next time you decide to "buy American".
Quote:
Yet, by a crucial measure, the Sienna is far more American than the Mustang. Statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that were publicized in "Auto Industry Update: 2006," a presentation by Farmington Hills, Mich., research company CSM Worldwide, show only 65% of the content of a Ford Mustang comes from the U.S. or Canada. Ford Motor Co. buys the rest of the Mustang's parts abroad. By contrast, the Sienna, sold by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp., is assembled in Indiana with 90% local components.
And this has just come to your attention now? Where have you been, they have pretty much always done that.
No @!#$ ... all you had to do is read the price sticker instead of waiting for some "research and development" team to "test" their "theory"
dan
Yep on the Sticker of my Trailblazer it said
Assembled in Moraine, Ohio USA
Engine: USA
Transmission: USA
85% of parts built in N. America
Yes Profits go to Detroit and the shareholders Which right now I am just shy of 1,000 shares.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Rather give my money to the blue-collar workers here and have the profits go to Japan, then to give my money to overseas blue-collar workers and have the profits here.
In the long run, it's the blue-workers that move our US economy and I rather have them with jobs.
i think what you really mean is, you'd rather see American blue-collar workers have jobs here, and the profits go to Japan, than to have the money go to a bunch of incredibly overpaid US executives while they farm out more and more work to other countries and shut their american plants.
In the end, the domestic versus import battle shouldn't be about where the money goes. It should be about who makes the better car, and offers the better deal that appeals to more customers. Whoever does that will have the market share.... and hmmm... how's that been going lately?
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
Megasquirt
'Nuff said
Yep, that's what I said.
Also how's it going on the market share? lol Toyota passed Ford and nipping at GM's heels for the #1 automaker in the world.
How do they do that??? (smell the sarcasm? lol)
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Who designed and engineered it?
What about the attitudes with which it was created?
The Mustang is more American as it is a sports car with legacy none of this some stupid mini van has.
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Yea, ummmm. I used to have a J-body...
brew-san wrote:geozinger wrote:Here's something else to think about...
Toyota, Honda, et al, all do this to keep protectionist legislation and other public policy bad news events from happening. Yes, they are manufacturing here, but this still has more to do with PR than manufacturing, IMHO. If it wasn't about manufacturing, why did these companies insist on using their Japanese suppliers for their parts rather than Delphi, Bosch, etc.? Now that they've been here a few years, they've opened up to 'other' suppliers. But the logic remains the same. If American workers can produce their cars to their high quality standards, why couldn't the same people working at the suppliers get the same accolades?
If in the wildest nightmare scenario they were able to buy out (or just plain kill) GM and Ford (I don't consider DCX an American car company anymore) and completely eliminate their production, how long do you think it would be before those 'American' plants were shuttered? Just like in the days before all of the transplant manufacturing plants here in the 'States, container ship after container ship would come over here and deposit their contents on our shores.
Competition is good. More choice are almost always better. Stamp out hegemony!
Are you suggesting that these companies are working to wipe GM and Ford out and then once they've managed that are just gonna pull out and take the jobs with them?
What else is competition about, other than to eliminate your opposition? Besides, once you have eliminated or crippled your competition, what incentive is there to keep these 'domestic' plants open? As we have seen with the deluge of inexpensive products from China in the last 10 years, it's waaay cheaper to produce offshore and ship in. Why *wouldn't* they do the same thing? Hell, even GM is importing V6's from China!
George (geozinger)
'95 Sunfire GT-my second Pontiac from Hell!
'97 Cavy Beater-still running like a champ!
'04 Sunfire - my kid's car, but I get the bills...
'09 Pontiac G6 - Sport Package 1
