Well after blowing the engine and tranny in the Zuece Duece within a week.
I decided to look for a new car... and what did I come come but a 00' GTP for 6,500
...
I dont know much about this car yet but both its a blast. I really moves to 50 mph.
My only compliant would be that the blower quite
and the suspension feels like its floaty, then again I am coming from a dumped cavalier.
Enough on the talk on to the pictures...
"Work" guide me
To the .org I love you and I'll be still around
4 life
Save a Tranny, Roll-on
15.3@88m.p.h.(I/E)
15.2@94m.p.h.(S/C'd)
15.5@89m.p.h.(Stock GTP)
first recommendation... if you haven't already, check out clubgp. alot of knowledgeable people there. gtp's can be mean as hell when done right. nice ride.
I HATE YOU!!!!
why me why me, i want a GTP
anyways you can make them a high 13 second car for only a few hundred dollars : )
good luck and yes check out clubgp lots of good info there
wow 6500 , does it have alot of miles ??
kinda looks like the g/fs gtp , but hers is white with the polished 5star
i killed a greddy golf on the freeway , he had me about a 2 cars up to 90 , then i just floated past him , in quiet sedan style , LOL
intake will do wonders for the s/c sound
get the GMPP suspension , less than 1000 you get 4 complete strut and springs , koni adjustables , and a mild drop , you take your stock out and bolt the gmpp in , no swaping or saving parts
also get the GMPP handling package , larger sway bars , strut brace , rear lower arms
the bra is long gone
I think the GMPP spring/koni combo also comes with mounts aswell. It really is a nice package.
Adding bigger rotors and twin piston calipers to the GTP is easy and cheap. Monte rotor/F-body caliper.
I ran a mildly modded Monte with the L67. It's truely amazing how much a few bucks can get this engine rolling really well. The difference between a stock car and one with a couple grand in it is rediculous. It's one of the best bang for your buck engines when it comes to performance mods.
i posted this on another thread about GTP's
Flaked Z-Fire wrote:i used to have a 00 GTP i had the smaller pulley for the s/c and a c.a.i., magna flow catback, and also had a 75shot zex nitrous kit on the car.. i loved it and i beat the hell out if and it never failed me. just had to buy lots of tires and gas.
i had close to 100k on the odometer and decided to sell it before it started to cost me alot in repairs... the guy i sold it to said he has not put a dime into the car since i sold it to him and he has about 140k on it now.. sorta makes me wish i never sold it.
laters
heres a link to that thread
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=6&i=116038&t=115937&r=2
have fun with it! i know i did.
My car was made with wrenches, Not chopsticks.
but yeah def. upgrade the suspension.. it makes a world of difference.
My car was made with wrenches, Not chopsticks.
i forgot to write in the mounts , but it was implied cause i said that nothing needed to be swaped over
kinda hard to write and understand a customer on the phone , LOL
im doing the F-body brakes on the front on hers too , only real issue is the bracket on the camaro is bolted with 12mm bolts and the grand prix uses 14mm , so you can either drill and tap or use a sleve to make up the difference , also the caliper banjo bolt is a different size and you need it , and reuse the g/p line
he had the g/fs on the dyno last saturday , and 2 runs it averaged 195 whp , stock with dirty air filer , and i removed the air box , so that it was getting fresh air , and it jumped to 208 whp
so they like unrestricted air , i think SLP might have a carb legal intake , i know k&n's isnt
intake , 3.4 pulley and a tuned pcm should get you deep into the mid to low 14's , once you get the take off down
before i forget again , lol
azclubgp.com is the site here in az , a few of the cali people and vegas people are on it , im not sure what the local cali site is
but there is usually a day at L.A.C.R for pontiac days
hey man, nice car! black is definetly the best color for these things
how long till you consider modding it? and what exacty do you want out of it. do you want a straight line beast, wanna take the corners somewhat decently (no matter what it wont be a road track car
) or a combination of the two?
first thing's first, ClubGP.com is a wonderful place to get info on our cars. 3800pro.com is an acceptable for general info, but it's run by one of our vendors, and some things can get shady. clubgp isnt always good graces and love towards all, but we do a pretty good job of keeping it clean and unbias.
suspention wise, do what they said ^^^^. these cars look great dropped an inch or so, and the suspention will help handling the corners tremendously, though it wont do much for launching.
as for the engine, i cant tell you what you will be safe running, but i can tell you what you should be safe running. scanning is the key to seeing if you're OK or not. there are a couple different scan tools you can get. LS1M.com is one of them, and the DHP power tuner you can get from our vendors will let you actually tune the car. intake and exhaust are the MUST HAVE firsts. if you do a pulley swap without them you run into trouble. a good intake box (wizair is the most common) or fenderwell intake (i have a speedbulit, but most go home made) will free up a lot of power from your car, and give you that sound you want. on the exhaust side, a 3" downpipe off the manifolds and a U-bend delete are neccesary. the u-bend is a crimped point in the exhaust right after the CAT that protects the O2 sensor from the road. just put a straight pipe in and place a new O2 bung almost horizontal instead of vertical. all in all, this'll cost you around $300 if you buy the intake. then you can drop pulley sizes. the most common first pulley sizes are 3.5" and 3.4". there's about 1.5lbs of boost difference between the two. 3.5's are generally safer, but not quite as much power, though it's not really a noticable difference. at the same time of the pulley swap you'll need two other mods, cooler spark plugs (autolite 604's are 1 degree cooler, i believe. might wanna check clubgp for that) and a retuned PCM. i was running a 3.5" pulley, FWI, 3" dp, and full exhaust on stock tuning and ran a 14.06, so it's pretty easy to get decent numbers out of these cars. stock they run low 15's to high 14's.
a couple vendors
www.zzperformance.com
www.wbodystore.com
www.3800performance.com
www.thrashercharged.com
www.intenseracing.com
www.http://www.pfyc.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PFYC&Category_Code=GP.com
that's all i can think of for now. if you've got any questinos at all, just let me know. i'm always willing to help out
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
does anyone make a good fenderwell intake , with out getto rigging 1 up ??
most that ive seen are getto riggin , my neck might be red , but it aint that red , LOL
hey guys now that your on topic of gtp and i dont wanna make yet again another post about what car i want, i have a local guy that has a 99 GTP with 160k on it he wants $3000 for it ...you think i should go for it??
thanks and sorry for geting side tracked
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]does anyone make a good fenderwell intake , with out getto rigging 1 up ??
most that ive seen are getto riggin , my neck might be red , but it aint that red , LOL
mine
http://www.pfyc.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PFYC&Product_Code=WB3032&Product_Count=2&Category_Code=GPUNDER
mine, i know i know, dirty engine bay. it's clean now
one of the other options
http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/product_info.php?products_id=63&osCsid=6af8d99870a473aeda3ea6073b58d886
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hey guys now that your on topic of gtp and i dont wanna make yet again another post about what car i want, i have a local guy that has a 99 GTP with 160k on it he wants $3000 for it ...you think i should go for it??
milage is a bit high, but $3K's a good price for a 99. couple things you wanna look for, first, drive the balls off of it. turn on performance shift and feel for the shifts. they should feel nicely stiff. listen to the engine, if you hear a sound that sounds like rolling rocks, it's the supercharger coupler, talk em down a couple hundred, then take the car home and buy the $30 part and replace it
. search the engine for oil leaks, common ones are valvecovers and oil sending unit. after you're done driving the car, open the hood and sniff. if you smell coolant, that's bad. the LIM gaskets in these break often at higher milage and will leak coolant into the incoming air. other than that, just do all the normal checks.
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
yeah 3k isnt to bad as long as the trans shifts good , and the motor doesnt make any strange noise
how do you like that intake ??
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]yeah 3k isnt to bad as long as the trans shifts good , and the motor doesnt make any strange noise
how do you like that intake ??
i love it. it's clean as hell, and very functional. took a bit to put it in, and i added a 7" section of flexible intake tubing to make it flexible. the rigidity of it was causing some false KR. sounds great, though.
some people worry about getting water in their FWI, i havent had a problem yet. cleaned the filter out once, it was a bit dirty, but not overly.
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
Wow,
Thanks for all the info fellas.
Car has 69,000mi. Some young girl sold it b/c it was too big and made a "wierd" noise when she stepped on the gas.
I'm not sure were to dig in, LoL.
I guess for the short term I will plan on
PCM
Downpipe/ Ubend delete - Does this have to be bought or can it be fab'd at an exhuast shop?
FWI
3.5 Pulley
Well back to clupgp, I'm sponging up all I can.
talk to ya'll later.
Save a Tranny, Roll-on
15.3@88m.p.h.(I/E)
15.2@94m.p.h.(S/C'd)
15.5@89m.p.h.(Stock GTP)
BLWN Z24 wrote:
Downpipe/ Ubend delete - Does this have to be bought or can it be fab'd at an exhuast shop?
yep, it can be fabbed up, but it's hard to find a shop that will do the downpipe.
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
Better to buy it huh
Any recommendations?
Also what do you think of the wbody stage 1, worth buying or continue buying piece by piece?
Save a Tranny, Roll-on
15.3@88m.p.h.(I/E)
15.2@94m.p.h.(S/C'd)
15.5@89m.p.h.(Stock GTP)
Wow sweet deal Eben. Bring it by one day so I can check it out.
What are you going to do w the cav?
any of those sites will have them
the u-bend delete can be made easily , if you keep the stock tubing
pacesetter has a cat back (out already) and the headers are coming , but i will say you gotta have some mods and some tuning with them
and nice milage
the 97 my g/f has had 56k on it
BLWN Z24 wrote:Better to buy it huh
Any recommendations?
Also what do you think of the wbody stage 1, worth buying or continue buying piece by piece?
y'know, until you said that, i'd never looked at it before. looks like a pretty good deal. it's got everything you need minus an intake. and all for a decent price. the dp is usually around 150 that i've seen, dhp's 100 or so, modular systems are usually 120, and you'll be glad you got that. makes it sooooo much easier to swap pulleys out later down the road. and w-body store is one of our more reputable vendors, so you know their products are good. i believe the downpipe is a JimmyC version 2. i had a version 1 on my car before the headers and it was awesome. you'll have to take care of the U-bend still, but that's no problem for most exhaust shops. i had mine done for $40. good lookin deak, though. you should be runnin low 14's easy after all'a that.
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pacesetter has a cat back (out already) and the headers are coming , but i will say you gotta have some mods and some tuning with them
yeah, right now we dont have a set of decent headers. we currently have SLP headers which have had problems sealing and with flow and O2 sensors, and S&S headers which use a poorly placed O2 bung (in the crossover) and are also a little small from what i've heard. I have TOG headers on my car. for the longest time they were the best you could do. 1 5/8 primaries, 3" dp O2 bung placed a little further back than the stock one, but still in the main exhaust flow. sets go up for sale in the classifieds in clubgp, but they're pulling in $600 easy used. they went for a little more than that new.
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
I can't wait to get this thing moving...
Ordering parts is almost as fun as using them.
Once I get the M45 sold then the fun will really begin
What's this I hear of notriously weak trannies and how are people dealing with it?
Save a Tranny, Roll-on
15.3@88m.p.h.(I/E)
15.2@94m.p.h.(S/C'd)
15.5@89m.p.h.(Stock GTP)
As far as FWI...the W-body gets more that enough fresh air where the factory box is found. Any one of the airbox designs would be a better choice when it comes to an intake. It takes several minutes standing still to get intake temps to rise at all with one of the airbox designs. On the move there is no difference.
Not sure why you think the trannies are weak. You can go a long way before the need to beef things up. GMPP has fully developed a racing tranny from this inut. Even the inport FWD cars are using it. All the components are available from GMPP and from any number of the companies already listed.
