Anybody know which is faster at the 1/4 mile?
Yeah looks nice and costs 20 grand more ! Nothing like haveing a car that costs less then yours did kick your butt all over the road.
The Viper can't hold a candle to the new Z/06.
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ZO6 > x1000000 over Viper
The one, the only, ME.
Actually I believe in the last issue of Car & driver, they said the Viper handled slightly better then the Z06, since the backend of the Z06 tends to swing out due to being bigger. However, in time the Z06 didn't demolish the Viper, but did beat it slightly. You all make it sound like the Z06 beat the Viper by like 20 second, LOL
1/4 mile times in some exotics magazine posted the Vette at 12.2 and the Viper at 12.3 when comparing them. Of course the Viper has more torque so that means everybody on this site would choose the Viper, right?? You guys want the car with more torque over the faster car from everything I've ever read here. Anyway I believe it did have the Viper handling slightly better and braking better, for whatever that's worth. However, I did notice the redline on the Vette being 7,000?? Couple more years and we'll be saying, "Sure the Vettes are fast, but you gotta rev the heck out of them to get any power..." Haha, Vette lovers would never admit that.
For the few tenths the Viper can edge out in handleing isn't worth the 20 grand more
IMO. Sorry but I'll take the Vette.
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It is funny that the test have the z06 faster and the viper the better handling car.
Its like they switched places
[quote=ºÇãVî§pÉëк]1/4 mile times in some exotics magazine posted the Vette at 12.2 and the Viper at 12.3 when comparing them. Of course the Viper has more torque so that means everybody on this site would choose the Viper, right?? You guys want the car with more torque over the faster car from everything I've ever read here. Anyway I believe it did have the Viper handling slightly better and braking better, for whatever that's worth. However, I did notice the redline on the Vette being 7,000?? Couple more years and we'll be saying, "Sure the Vettes are fast, but you gotta rev the heck out of them to get any power..." Haha, Vette lovers would never admit that.
Why are you so bitter?
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I could be very wrong on this so if anyone knows and could straighten me out thanks would be in order.
If car "A" does a track test and runs only 3 or 4 tenths faster then car "B" then wouldn't this be a drivers race ?
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my point is the vette is faster and according to top gear they said the viper was crap in the gear box and handling and i dont doubt that and for what you pay for the viper compared to the vette i dont care what the difference is id take the vette
The one, the only, ME.
For people who have the money to afford either car - it all depends on what they like and want, brand loyalty, etc etc. I don't think they would care how much more one is over the other.
I have loved the Viper since I was a little kid, so if I had a choice I would go with the Viper. On the other hand, I love the new Corvette and the Z06 and if I had to spend my money wisely, I'd go with the Vette.
Blown.
JinxedZ THE LOVED ONE wrote:[quote=ºÇãVî§pÉëк]1/4 mile times in some exotics magazine posted the Vette at 12.2 and the Viper at 12.3 when comparing them. Of course the Viper has more torque so that means everybody on this site would choose the Viper, right?? You guys want the car with more torque over the faster car from everything I've ever read here. Anyway I believe it did have the Viper handling slightly better and braking better, for whatever that's worth. However, I did notice the redline on the Vette being 7,000?? Couple more years and we'll be saying, "Sure the Vettes are fast, but you gotta rev the heck out of them to get any power..." Haha, Vette lovers would never admit that.
Why are you so bitter?
187 lb/ft of torque would make me bitter too
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I saw a 2006 Corvette Z06 in the showroom at Maher Chevrolet in St Pete FL. Hate to break the news, but the Z06 will cost more dough than the Viper. Why? This particular Car dealer has a $25,000.00 "Market Value Adjustment" to the price, making it a $98,000.00 car(base $73,000.00), not the list price as shown in the magazines. The other tid bit of info is that only 500 are being made for 2006, 500 for 2007, and 500 for 2008, and that will be the end of the line. A total production run of 1500 cars. I guarantee any dealer that has one for sale will have an big markup on it due to the limited availability. So as far as the Z06 being less expensive, it wont be, it will cost more than a Viper GTS. The performance difference between the Z06 and Viper isnt that significant as either car would win the drag race or road course time depending on driver skill.
Of course, at a recent car show, a local Ford dealer had a Ford GT displayed with not the $150,000.00 price that magazines showed, but a "market value adjustment" substantial enough to make it a $275,000.00 Ford!!!
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Shark, You really can't count that mark up crap that SOME dealers do cause its not all of us and its not any kind of uniform amount. Its what they moron of a sales manager thinks he can rob someone for.
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Personally I like the looks better on the C6 ZO6. But I am also biased.
In all seriousness, the C6 ZO6 will not annihilate the Viper in a race. But it should be a close winfor the ZO6. *That is with equal driving situation
Thing is, it is more impressive to me that here GM is doing it on a V8 (2-less cylinders) and at 7.0L (1.3L less) compared to the Viper.
What I am noticing that the Viper weighs in also close to 300lbs more too, so that hurts performance some what--- yes even on a V10.
All in all the C6 Z06 is just ubber goodness. The right amount of torque with higher HP, tall first 2 gears, 7K redline, light weight. All the right ingrediants to make it a champion.
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Hard to call the Vette a "bargain" when it's over $70,000. The Viper never had to be a bargain at $85,000. Why? Because when you start spending that much on a car, speed isn't what you're buying it for. The Mercedes SL500 is in the ball park too, but I don't think those owners care about the fastest car for the money. The bargain speed argument worked when the Vette was $35,000 or $45,000 and the average working person could afford it, but up there at the $70,000+ price range, bargains don't matter.
I'm not bitter about my 187lbs/tq. I've got 289 of what actually matters in a FWD 4-cyl car, and that's horsepower. But your comment is the whole reason I posted the torque joke in my first reply, because for some reason that's all that seems to matter here. But from my experiences, it just seems that LS1/V8 owners are arrogant, which was pretty well displayed in your "Selling my LS1 thread." It's as if you don't think anything can possibly be as fast as your LS1/V8. Even in the videos posted of the Supras beating them, some comment of "Race from a dig" or "It still only runs 12's" comes up. Honda owners/ricers are cocky yes, but still seem to respect other cars like Sti's, Evo's, 350Z's... Whereas it seems like LS1/V8 owners only respect other LS1's, that's the only thing worthy. And that is why I'm bitter.
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I'm not bitter about my 187lbs/tq. I've got 289 of what actually matters in a FWD 4-cyl car, and that's horsepower. But your comment is the whole reason I posted the torque joke in my first reply, because for some reason that's all that seems to matter here. But from my experiences, it just seems that LS1/V8 owners are arrogant, which was pretty well displayed in your "Selling my LS1 thread." It's as if you don't think anything can possibly be as fast as your LS1/V8. Even in the videos posted of the Supras beating them, some comment of "Race from a dig" or "It still only runs 12's" comes up. Honda owners/ricers are cocky yes, but still seem to respect other cars like Sti's, Evo's, 350Z's... Whereas it seems like LS1/V8 owners only respect other LS1's, that's the only thing worthy. And that is why I'm bitter.
I have plenty of respect for alot of other motors than just the LSx's. You need to get educated sir...if you head to LS2.com, you'll find alot of great people(and some dicks)..
you just can't expect someone who has a taste for oranges all of a sudden liking apples..
i do not, however, respect ricers...
some call it expressionism, i call it watching too much anime and trying to "out-wing" boeing.. It's a car, not a gundam..thing..
oh, any tool can race from a roll.. getting a car to hook up from a dig is what seperates the men from the boys.That's why the quarter mile starts at 0mph.. If you put 600hp through your civic, but can't make traction, then what good is it?..it's not...the dig is the almighty equalizer..
Unfortunatly no matter what Vin Diesel says thier truely is no replacement for displacement. Sure you can turbo and spray your little 4 cylinders and make tons of power. BUT a V-8 can do the same thing. When your struggleing to get to 400 horses
they start there. You throw on a big turbo and tons of NOS and you hit the 500 and 600
range and go WOO HOO ! and run around yelling "Whos da man !!" Where a V-8 turbos and sprays and still runs pump gas and is in the 1400 horsepower range. See
any difference there ? While Super Street and such mags brag about Supras running on the street turning 9's and 10's V-8 guys shrug and think whats the big deal, we've been doing that for years and doing it with ALL engine too.
Look I'm in no way knocking or belittleing the work that anyone with a 4 cylinder car does to make it go fast. I've owned both muscle cars and now a 4 cyl car. My FireBird
KILLS my Cavi. in the go fast stop fast dept. BUT my Cavi. sticks to the road like its got glue on its tires and rides oh so much better. Can I make my Cavi. fast ? Sure. But
NO WAY will it EVER run an 11.30 at 133 mph in a Quarter with all engine. Just as my old Bird could never go down a twisty road as fast and still be comfortable to drive in.
DISCLAIMER: those horsepower figures for Honda engines may not be 100% accurate as I don't own a Honda or bother to keep up on the latest about them. I'm sure there are faster ones out there now. ALSO the horsepower figures for the V-8 I listed as in the 1400 horsepower range on pump gas was achieved by an indivdual who was written up in Hot Rod mag about 5 years ago with a twin turbo'd and intercooled 400 cubic inch Pontiac engine running on pump gas with no NOS. The engine is in a 1962 Pontiac Bonneville 2 door and it runs low 8's high 7's and is tagged and street driven with full interior and killer steiro system NOT a stripped down track only car.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Did you guys even read your replies??? That's exactly what I'm talking about. Our big bad V8's are still better no matter what. It doesn't matter what the car comes with stock, modify it. Until you actually modify your LSx to beat the 400hp Honda/Eclipse or 800hp Supra that you bash, then your car is not faster. I don't care what you CAN do to make it faster, stop talking about it and do it. I don't want to hear, "Well IF I turbo my LSx it would blow those Supras away..." then go on and turbo it, just like the Supra owner did. I'm aware that a turbo Vette or WS6 or LSx would be very fast, but I rarely see them. I can't even tell you a time when I've ever seen a turbo Vette or WS6 or SS in person.
Any tool can race from a roll, getting a car to hook from a dig is what separates the men from the boys??? No LSx owner would get a 600hp Honda to stick any better than the Honda driver would, so don't pat yourself on the back too soon about being able to launch that RWD V8, you would fail with a high hp Honda just like most. That's awesome that your car can launch better than an 800hp Supra, but when the Supra wins from a roll race, it means the Supra is a faster car. Or maybe I should say, the engine in the Supra is making it's car go faster than the engine in your Vette. The Vette might have trouble launching too if you tripled the horsepower that it came with, but I don't see it often.
Um, I already HAVE done it
I drove an 11 sec daily driver for almost 10 years. And did YOU read what I said ? I said I give all the credit in the world to anyone trying to go faster. I NEVER bashed anyones car or engines, That would have been you bashing the Vette just cause it has a V-8 under its hood. I was pointing out a fact not bashing.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Now back on the topic. It just so happens that we are selling the only Z/06 we are
aloted at my dealership for the year today. We are selling it full sticker ONLY and then adding in all the stuff the customer wants like all the color keyed crap storage pockets and tag holders. But we are giveing them all that stuff at our cost with no markup at the parts counter for it, Its part of the deal what can I say.
Anyway this is a perfect example of how not all dealersips do that market priceing crap
as mentioned eariler.
BTW in case you all MUST know, Its blue and its awesome.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
i hold true to my statement that
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oh, any tool can race from a roll.. getting a car to hook up from a dig is what seperates the men from the boys.That's why the quarter mile starts at 0mph.. If you put 600hp through your civic, but can't make traction, then what good is it?..it's not...the dig is the almighty equalizer..
I said nothing about the driver(x) vs driver(y), so don't put words in my mouth..
next time you are about to race someone at a stop light, roll your window down and tell them that you want to start out at like 20 or 30mph or so, because you don't know how to launch your car..
ps..something about the vettes allows them to launch quite hard no matter what..i have no idea what it is, maybe it's the center of gravity and the suspension....or maybe god just likes corvettes, but from what i've seen, those cars love to scoot from a dig..
/\ /\ /\ Its an almost perfect 50 / 50 weight distribution and an independant rear and loots of torque.
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