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Monday, January 02, 2006 6:18 PM
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NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO ENGINE

Advanced Combustion Technology Improves Power and Efficiency in the 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP

PONTIAC , Mich. – General Motors introduces the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine in the 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP, making it GM’s first direct injection offering in North America . Gasoline direct injection technology helps the Ecotec engine produce more power while maintaining the lower fuel consumption of a small displacement port-injected engine. It produces 260 horsepower (194 kW) and 260 lb.-ft. of torque (353 Nm),* making it GM’s highest specific output engine ever, at 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kW per liter), and the most powerful production engine in the Ecotec family.

Variable valve timing and an intercooled, twin-scroll turbocharging system are used to optimize the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine’s performance. It was developed with the global resources of GM Powertrain in the United States and Europe , drawing on expertise from the naturally aspirated Ecotec 2.2-liter direct injection engine used in some European applications and the 2.0-liter turbocharged engines already in production.

With direct injection, fuel is delivered directly to the combustion chamber to create a more complete burn of the air/fuel mixture. Less fuel is required to produce the equivalent horsepower, especially at normal cruising speeds, of a conventional port-injection combustion system.

“Direct injection technology works well with turbocharging and helps deliver a great balance of power and economy,” said Ed Groff, assistant chief engineer, Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine. “The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo produces the power expected of a V-6, but in a smaller, more efficient package – and the driving response is simply terrific.”

A dual-scroll turbocharger with a lightweight turbine provides nearly instant power and an air-to-air intercooling system bolsters the turbo’s performance by reducing inlet temperatures. Dual cam phasing complements the turbocharging system by optimizing valve timing at lower rpm for best turbo response and quick engine torque build-up time.

The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo uses a stronger, “Gen II” Ecotec engine block, which was developed with input from racing experience to support increased horsepower and torque. The cylinder block bulkheads – the areas where the main bearing caps are attached – and the bore walls are enlarged for strength. Other areas of the engine were enhanced to reinforce the structure and the water jacket is deeper for added cooling capacity and improved cylinder bore roundness. This architecture is shared with the 2.4-liter Ecotec engine that debuted in the Pontiac Solstice roadster.

Highlights of the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine include:

* Steel crankshaft
* Forged connecting rods
* Forged oil-galley pistons
* Jet-spray piston cooling
* 9.2:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum cylinder head with sodium-filled exhaust valves
* High-pressure engine-driven fuel pump
* Variable pressure fuel rail
* Dual-scroll turbocharger

Components including the steel crankshaft, forged connecting rods and forged pistons are high-strength items that provide strength and enhance durability. Jet-spray oil cooling directed toward an oil-galley piston help reduce piston temperatures. The system delivers pressurized oil to continuously lubricate and cool the pistons, which reduces friction and noise and ensures durability for the engine’s higher power levels. To enhance combustion, the piston tops feature a dish shape that deflects injected fuel toward the spark plugs.

To accommodate the direct injection system, the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo has a unique cylinder head and intake manifold. The cylinder head incorporates mounting locations for the fuel injectors – which are typically mounted in the intake ports or intake manifold on port injection engines. A high-pressure fuel pump delivers fuel to a variable-pressure fuel rail. Fuel enters the combustion chamber through precision multi-hole fuel injectors. The fuel pump, fuel rail pressure, fuel injection timing, and injection duration are controlled by the engine control module. In this way, fuel is metered and delivered in a finely atomized spray.

Apart from the mounting positions of the fuel injectors, the cylinder head has conventional port and combustion chamber designs, although both are optimized for direct injection and high boost pressures. The sodium-filled exhaust valves and stainless steel exhaust manifold are durable components designed to stand up to the high-performance capability of the engine.

The unique cylinder head, fuel system, pistons, intake manifold, and the dual-scroll turbocharger are the only major components that differentiate the 2.0-liter Turbo from other members of the Ecotec engine family. Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil is installed at the factory. Synthetic oil was selected for its friction-reducing capabilities and high-temperature performance.

How direct injection works

Gasoline direct injection differs from the fuel delivery process of a conventional engine by delivering fuel directly into the combustion chamber, where it is mixed with air drawn in to the chamber. The combustion process of conventional fuel injected engines uses air and fuel that are mixed in the intake port or intake manifold prior to being introduced into the combustion chamber. Direct injection is a continuation of the evolutionary process of moving the fuel introduction point closer to the combustion location to improve control.

With the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo, fuel is introduced directly to the combustion chamber during the intake stroke. As the piston approaches top-dead center, the mixture is ignited by the spark plug, giving the name spark ignition direct injection (SIDI). The fuel injectors are located beneath the intake ports. SIDI allows the mixture to be “leaner” – less fuel, more air – at full power. SIDI also permits a slightly higher compression ratio than if the fuel were delivered with conventional fuel injection. The result is better fuel consumption at part and full throttle. The engine uses conventional spark plugs similar to other Ecotec engines.

A high-pressure, returnless fuel system is employed. It features a high-strength stainless steel fuel line that feeds a variable-pressure fuel rail. Direct injection requires higher fuel pressure than conventional fuel injected engines and an engine-driven high-pressure fuel pump is used to supply up to 1,276 psi (150 bar) of pressure. The system regulates lower fuel pressure at idle – approximately 752 psi (50 bar) and higher pressure at wide-open throttle. The cam-driven high-pressure pumps works in conjunction with a conventional fuel tank-mounted supply pump.

Direct injection’s precise fuel delivery enables more complete combustion to help reduce emissions, particularly on cold starts – the time when most engine emissions are typically created. Also, direct injection permits higher a compression ratio in the engine which is a positive influence on fuel economy. At certain power levels, the boosted SIDI engine can provide significant fuel economy benefits to the vehicle compared to a larger displacement naturally aspirated engine.

Turbocharging system

A unique, dual-scroll turbocharger is partnered with an air-to-air intercooling system to provide up to approximately 20 psi (1.25 bar) of power-enhancing boost. The dual-scroll turbocharger delivers nearly instant response, as dual exhaust passages from the engine to the turbine housing guide exhaust gas to the turbine. This reduces lag time, or spool-up, at low rpm.

“There is virtually no lag with this system,” said Groff. “Throttle response is immediate. The engine acts like a larger displacement engine.”

The turbocharger is matched to the engine’s displacement and performance objectives. It is supported by the air-to-air intercooling system, which uses fresh air drawn through a heat exchanger to reduce the temperature of the warmer compressed air forced through the intake system by the turbocharger. Inlet temperature is reduced by approximately 212 degrees (100 degrees C), enhancing performance because cooler air is denser and promotes optimal combustion.

Dual cam phasing

The camshafts of the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine have phasers that support the continuously variable intake and exhaust valve timing. They also have cam position sensors, so that the engine control module can accurately control valve timing. The crankshaft and camshaft position sensors are digital. A new engine controller, specific to the engine, is used to sense and control the engine’s performance parameters.

Variable intake and exhaust timing works synergistically with both the gasoline direct injection and turbocharging systems. The variable engine timing enabled by cam phasing allows the combustion process to be optimized. Also, valve “overlap” at low rpm can be adjusted by the controller to increase the response of the turbocharger, providing a more immediate feeling of power.

Ecotec family traits

The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo is built on a global platform that was designed at the outset for a range of performance and combustion capabilities. The Gen II block supports the high-performance demands of the engine, but it is merely a strengthened version of the original Ecotec architecture. The oil pump, for example, is the same as used in all other Ecotec engines. It was originally designed to support high-performance applications of future engines.

“The 2.0-liter Turbo is the pinnacle of Ecotec performance to date, with additional growth planned. The groundwork for its capabilities was layed on the drawing table at the very beginning of the Ecotec’s development,” said Groff. “Prior work and a far-thinking engine design continue to help GM respond to market demands around the globe more quickly and with greater accuracy.”

This new Ecotec family member also has traits that have helped forge a reputation for durability and sophistication:

* Dual overhead camshafts (DOHC) and four valves per cylinder
* Twin counter-rotating balance shafts for operational smoothness
* Electronic throttle control
* Low-friction, roller-finger follower valvetrain with hydraulic lash adjusters
* Low-maintenance chain-drive for the camshafts
* 58X crankshaft positioning
* Direct-mount accessories, which reduce or eliminate traditional sources of noise and vibration
* Full-circle transmission mount to reduce noise and vibration
* GM Oil Life System, which can reduce the frequency for oil changes
* Innovative cast-in oil filter housing, which eliminates the need to crawl under the vehicle to perform oil changes and eliminates throwaway oil filter cans that retain used oil

As with other engines in the Ecotec family, the 2.0-liter Turbo engine also has premium features designed to ensure smooth and quiet operation, including a polymer coating and skirt design for the pistons that reduces noise during cold starts. An automatic hydraulic tensioner also is used to maintain optimal tension on the timing chain, which reduces noise and vibration.

General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), the world’s largest automaker, has been the global industry sales leader since 1931. Founded in 1908, GM today employs about 325,000 people around the world. It has manufacturing operations in 32 countries and its vehicles are sold in 200 countries . In 2004, GM sold nearly 9 million cars and trucks globally, up 4 percent and the second-highest total in the company’s history. GM’s global headquarters are at the GM Renaissance Center in Detroit . More information on GM can be found at www.gm.com.

*SAE certification pending. A new voluntary power and torque certification procedure developed by the SAE Engine Test Code committee was approved March 31, 2005. This procedure (J2723) ensures fair, accurate ratings for horsepower and torque by allowing manufacturers to certify their engines through third-party witness testing. GM was the first auto manufacturer to begin using the procedure and expects to use it for all newly rated engines in the future.




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the former." - Albert Einstein


Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:24 PM
mmmmm



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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:28 PM
I have been waiting on this since 1999 when GM mentioned that this new Ecotec platform was going to have this technology!
Direct injection is what really matters to me, the rest is just icing on the cake. Finally GM is jumping on the technology break through train with it's 4 cylinders.
Now I am liking the Ecotec... This Ecotec that is. Way to go GM.



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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:29 PM
This engine has EAT ME HONDA written all over it. It has a higher specific output then even the S2000.

I LOVE IT!




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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:33 PM
Nice!
Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:34 PM
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solstice gxp for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:36 PM
Dave wrote:This engine has EAT ME HONDA written all over it. It has a higher specific output then even the S2000.

I LOVE IT!


Although true. Lets not go there as this thread is about praising GM for a job very well done and would not want to see it go to hell.



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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:42 PM
QBE (73H 800573D 0N3) wrote:mmmmm



Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 6:51 PM
it might have got a praise from me


but the drop the 2.4 for a 2.0 , they keep the vvt


and yet give the motor the lowest REDLINE YET FOR A ECO TEC ????WTF IS WITH THAT ?????


6300 RPM


did anyone notice the material the valves are made out of ???

expensive valves







Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 7:33 PM
that turbo looks so funky.. gonnd be hard getting an upgrade.. I can only imagine, cai, 3 inch exhaust bigger injectors and boost controller... mmmm 300+ whp rwd roadster...


uhhhgghghghh...






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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 7:48 PM
sorry, i'm yet to be impressed.... they go ahead with all the wonderful rambling about how direct injection adds power and economy, but even with vvt and sidi, the turbo clearly isn't all that efficient since at 20 psi this engine is putting to the crank (assuming it hasn't been underrated) what many 2.2 eco's are putting to the WHEELS with turbochargers.... And yeah, 6300 rpm.... with their supposedly uber-strong motor, which is still based on the LSJ, the stage one upgrade for which simply jacks the rev limiter to over 7000.... Seems like they rushed it to production because they haven't yet durability tested it to higher RPMs and slapped on the band-aid fix of a low rev limiter... either that or the turbo just maxxes out near redline, just like the K03's on the VW 1.8T. Why does GM insist on using different methods to accomplish the same goal every time they put out a new engine? If they wanted it to drive like a big displacement motor, why not stick with the 2.0 s/c? Why handicap the motor with a small-ass turbo for the sake of "no lag" when they ALREADY HAD THAT with the 2.0SC? If they wanted more hp out of the SC all they needed was to make the GXP come stock with the stage one or stage two upgrade, if they were so concerned about maintaining response. Basically they went through all this, and put out all this hype, when really the result isn't that impressive given the fact an off-the-shelf engine could have gotten there with less technology and lower cost (something gm should kinda be thinking about right now).




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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 8:44 PM
they didn't say there was a lack of lag due to a small turbo. the cams and VVT can really help eliminate having lag on an otherwise large turbo. It says in the article the turbo is capable of 20 psi, i doubt they got it turned up that high.

As for the comment towards honda....honda did it without FI. granted this engine is a nice design and really has me considering one of these in the future, I wouldn't go as far to say its better then X engine.

Just a point of notice about the rev limiter.....does anyone else realize how much more balancing is required to take the rev limiter from 6500 to 7500? 6300 is still fairly high revving compared to many v8's capping at 5000. It's a way to cut expense on this thing to keep it well under the 30k mark. Otherwise this car would be in the same price range as the evo and sti proving far less practical then the latter.

I say go GM, cars like these will save your company, keep this coming, but this car alone will not spell comeback for GM.



Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 9:19 PM
what GM is doin with the ECOTEC line keeps impressing me, i duno about you guys but im liking what i see



Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 10:18 PM
btw dtp the stock ecotec can take 8500 rpms as seen in comp cams testing and colt cams testing repeatedly...



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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 10:26 PM
gm actually spins the drag cars over 10,000 rpm

the 2.4 vvt redlines in the 6700-6800 range


so the rpm ability is there


i really think gm got close to the mark , had they used the 2.4 crank they would have surpassed the mark

you want low rpm , give it a big arm







Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 10:27 PM
forgot to add , if gm would set the rpm in the 7k range i bet the power woulda been alot closer to 300






Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 10:44 PM
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]forgot to add , if gm would set the rpm in the 7k range i bet the power woulda been alot closer to 300

point, but given power to weight ratio, wouldn't we start flirting with corvette performance numbers? granted still 100hp less, but also its weighs less...you don't want to match performance with your flagship whilst spending 20k less. just somethin to ponder IMO.



Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 11:11 PM
DropTopPaul wrote:[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]forgot to add , if gm would set the rpm in the 7k range i bet the power woulda been alot closer to 300


point, but given power to weight ratio, wouldn't we start flirting with corvette performance numbers? granted still 100hp less, but also its weighs less...you don't want to match performance with your flagship whilst spending 20k less. just somethin to ponder IMO.

mmmhhhmmm

200 hp less



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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 11:34 PM
standard corvette = 400.....400-300=100



Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Monday, January 02, 2006 11:52 PM
Quote:

they didn't say there was a lack of lag due to a small turbo.


Really?

Quote:

A unique, dual-scroll turbocharger is partnered with an air-to-air intercooling system to provide up to approximately 20 psi (1.25 bar) of power-enhancing boost. The dual-scroll turbocharger delivers nearly instant response, as dual exhaust passages from the engine to the turbine housing guide exhaust gas to the turbine. This reduces lag time, or spool-up, at low rpm.


When they say this, that implies to me that its stock boost level is 20 psi... 260hp@20psi small turbo. I seem to remember the LSJ press release saying the supercharger would "provide boost up to 12.5 psi", and what are they seeing stock? 12 psi... Don't get me wrong, this engine is revolutionary... i mean if you forget about the fact that VW/Audi and Mazda both have all the same, if not more advanced technology, and both were two whole model years ahead of this engine...

It just drives me crazy every time GM comes out blabbering "revolutionary, all new, yadda yadda, when they're still years behind everyone else. Just like when the Cosworth Vega came out with a twin cam 16v head and they thought they were hot stuff when the italians and other europeans had already had the technology ten years or more in advance. Or when the Quad 4 came out just in time to compete with vtec... or the "revolutionary all aluminum ecotec" when just about every japanese build motor had been all-aluminum and almost equally as modular as the eco for 15 years prior.... Don't take this as hate, I'm an eco fan, but these things bug me, because the eco is still 5 years late and behind the game. What technology was really all that fantastically new when the 2.2 ecotec debuted? Nothing, it was not significantly different than the non vtec B21A1 engine that was in my 91 prelude. Sure it was stronger, but only marginally.

Even still, with the eco's vvt system.... all it does it does is phase the cams, so sure, the TIMING is variable, but still no truly significant improvement in performance, because thats all it is, is timing and no method of increasing lift or duration. So more than 15 years after VTEC, GM comes out with a 4 cylinder 2.4 liter that STILL can't make 100hp/liter without forced induction.... what's so advanced here?

And with all the current issues with tuning 04-up ecotecs, you guys just WAIT and see what its like trying to swap to a bigger turbo on this thing and then trying to tune it properly... the vvt will be all kinds of f-ed up, because its mapped for a small quick spooling turbo, and the only way you're going to be able to add fuel is through an eic system like portfueler, unless by some miracle of God GM doesn't take another 5 years to release an upgrade kit with a reflash, or someone in the aftermarket actually comes through and cracks the ecu... End rant...




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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:35 AM
Scarab (Jersey Jay 1.8T) wrote:
Quote:

they didn't say there was a lack of lag due to a small turbo.


Really?

Quote:

A unique, dual-scroll turbocharger is partnered with an air-to-air intercooling system to provide up to approximately 20 psi (1.25 bar) of power-enhancing boost. The dual-scroll turbocharger delivers nearly instant response, as dual exhaust passages from the engine to the turbine housing guide exhaust gas to the turbine. This reduces lag time, or spool-up, at low rpm.


When they say this, that implies to me that its stock boost level is 20 psi... 260hp@20psi small turbo. I seem to remember the LSJ press release saying the supercharger would "provide boost up to 12.5 psi", and what are they seeing stock? 12 psi... Don't get me wrong, this engine is revolutionary... i mean if you forget about the fact that VW/Audi and Mazda both have all the same, if not more advanced technology, and both were two whole model years ahead of this engine...

It just drives me crazy every time GM comes out blabbering "revolutionary, all new, yadda yadda, when they're still years behind everyone else. Just like when the Cosworth Vega came out with a twin cam 16v head and they thought they were hot stuff when the italians and other europeans had already had the technology ten years or more in advance. Or when the Quad 4 came out just in time to compete with vtec... or the "revolutionary all aluminum ecotec" when just about every japanese build motor had been all-aluminum and almost equally as modular as the eco for 15 years prior.... Don't take this as hate, I'm an eco fan, but these things bug me, because the eco is still 5 years late and behind the game. What technology was really all that fantastically new when the 2.2 ecotec debuted? Nothing, it was not significantly different than the non vtec B21A1 engine that was in my 91 prelude. Sure it was stronger, but only marginally.

Even still, with the eco's vvt system.... all it does it does is phase the cams, so sure, the TIMING is variable, but still no truly significant improvement in performance, because thats all it is, is timing and no method of increasing lift or duration. So more than 15 years after VTEC, GM comes out with a 4 cylinder 2.4 liter that STILL can't make 100hp/liter without forced induction.... what's so advanced here?

And with all the current issues with tuning 04-up ecotecs, you guys just WAIT and see what its like trying to swap to a bigger turbo on this thing and then trying to tune it properly... the vvt will be all kinds of f-ed up, because its mapped for a small quick spooling turbo, and the only way you're going to be able to add fuel is through an eic system like portfueler, unless by some miracle of God GM doesn't take another 5 years to release an upgrade kit with a reflash, or someone in the aftermarket actually comes through and cracks the ecu... End rant...


Yes the Ecotec may be late but I dont see any other engines whooping the proverbial ass on the drag strips do you? Better late then never is what i say. First 4cylinder in the 6's? thank you mr lingenfelter... (god bless)

My point Jay, it may be late but it's the only FWD drag car I know of thats weight penalized due to speed. And the only engine I know (4 cylinder) that lasts for more then 2-3 runs... unless somethings changed over this winter. How bad did the ecotec team win this past summer? I am not sure but wasn't it pretty bad?

And I dont wanna hear "Because they had GM Backing" all the other companies who back the B series/K series and whatever the celica series is amount to more then GM has

DropTopPaul wrote:standard corvette = 400.....400-300=100


Sorry I thought they all had the rated 505....



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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:02 AM
you bring up a LOT of good points, and most i really can't argue, although they weren't points I was trying to argue either.

I guess it just boils down to this, its a step forward, and being the optimist I am, try to look at the brighter side of things. It's new, its a turbo on a GM, it is a huge power improvement over the stock 171, and really priced at 25k is a very attractive setup for someone who just wants to take a car off the lot and drive it through the turns for fun.

The tuner is a whole new market, much smaller too then the majority of buyers out there. Tuners are few and far between. Ones that buy GM still are even fewer, and ones that buy GM and spend a ton of money even further are even still fewer. So with this tiny tiny market in mind, its hard to really take a whole lot of consideration for us as a business. It just doesn't add up to profit and that is what GM needs more then anything else right now.

The motor makes superb power, and for the miata market that is looking at this car, there is a very obvious power difference. The miata matches power with the base solstice, with a just so slightly higher price tag. From what I understand though, the miata is still holding the handling edge between the 2 cars. (for the record, I haven't hugely looked at this comparison, skimmed a couple articles really) Add in the GXP package at for argumentative sakes....5000, bringing the bill to 24995.

With 24995 in mind....this makes a perfect match. The miata grand touring model, vs the GXP. The grand touring comes with a 6 speed manual, with an optional 6 speed auto with paddle shifters (which adds just over 1000 bucks to the price tag). The grand touring still has a mere 170bhp, while this new GXP model has 260. In a drag race, this won't even be close. Now in a road race, obviously power helps. But the touring model will now be on 17's, while the GXP is still sporting 18" wheels. IMO the 17 is a better idea, having less unsprung mass on each corner. How much better does the miata handle to offset this 90 hp difference? Tuners may still lean towards the mazda due to the fact that the engine doesn't have some super advanced design that may be hard to work with. Some may just say 260 hp is plenty of hp, and focus more on handling.

Now miatas are popular on road tracks for being rwd, fairly inexpensive and handle extremely well. Last summer I went on a road course venture that will forever change the way I look at racing cars. As a passenger I learned how important it is to make the driver faster before you make the car faster. I being a passenger in a fairly stock 350z was passing (with ease) STi's and Evo's. The Z was stock in power all the way down to stock intake and exhaust. It had the addition of a roll cage and safety harnesses and some good track tires, thats the mods list. The 350z is heavier then the solstice by a long shot, at 240 hp, has less power and has a less equal front : rear weight ratio. Knowing that the Z was far too fast for me a beginner to handle on a road course. So for the beginner track guys, the base solstice and miata and both really attractive, and have a lot to offer, giving the miata IMO both a slight handling and styling advantage over the solstice. More advanced track goers I think will have a ton of fun with the GXP, but most will probably immediately look for suspension improvements to make sure that 260 hp is quite stable in the corners.

*breathe*

all in all, me being GM loyal will likely buy a GXP simply cuz me and my family only buy from GM, and I enjoy straight line driving more frequently then true road racing and cornering. So when I do go for these exercises, I better keep myself in check so I don't kill myself

thank you



Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:23 AM
This IS still GM were talking about so I won't get my hopes up till I see it at the dealership.





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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:22 AM
I take it this engine will be in the Sky Redline?? I can't wait to see this in person..





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Re: NEW ECOTEC 2.0-LITER DIRECT INJECTION TURBO EN
Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:03 AM
why such low compression? check out the vw fsi turbos.... the direct injection allows higher compression ratios. not impressed... i mean, if you have the technology... use it!

and to the s2000 specific output thing. dude youre a moron. one of the cars is naturally aspirated, one is turbocharged.... if you cant figure out the difference.....
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