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Your telling me out of all the awesome cars out there, they chose a civic, thats stupid.
I can think of a dozen cars that are better than that.
They choose from either new designs or past winners in their competitions, right Goodwrench??
All i know is i drove an 05 Civic for a week a few months ago and REALLY liked it
i finally passed one of the coupes the other day on the highway. The car looks a lot better in person than in the pictures. I definitely wouldn'd mind taking a spin in one of them to get an idea on how they perform.
Have a good one,
Justin
60' nI doM rof yZZiS wrote:They choose from either new designs or past winners in their competitions, right Goodwrench??
All i know is i drove an 05 Civic for a week a few months ago and REALLY liked it
^Correct. The ones in the running has to be all-new or significantly updated. Sometimes if "the new model" was not available at the evaluation time, they will automatically transfer it to next years running.
In this years running was:
Audi A3, BMW 3 Series, Buick Lucerne, Cadillac DTS, Chevrolet Cobalt, Chevrolet HHR, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Fusion, Honda Civic, Hyundai Accent, Hyundai Azera, Hyundai Sonata, Infiniti M35/M45, Kia Rio, Lexus GS, Lexus IS, Lincoln Zephyr, Mazda 5, Mazda MX-5, Mercedes-Benz CLS, Mercedes-Benz R-Class, Mercury Milan, Mitsubishi Eclipse GT, Pontiac Solstice, Toyota Avalon, Volkswagen Jetta, and Volkswagen Passat.
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Thats pretty stiff competition there.
BMW 3 Series
Cadillac DTS
Lexus GS, Lexus IS, Lincoln Zephyr, Mazda 5
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT, Pontiac Solstice, Toyota Avalon
Infiniti M35/M45
all cars > civic
IMO
and id be hard pressed to find a person that would want to pick a civic over those cars.
I went to the dealer to look at them the other day. I am impressed. The interior is nice, the seats even had a faux suede feel to them. then dash is a little strangely slanted but better than having a center mounted one. The whole thing; fit, finish was right on.
The base engine is 25+ hp more and gets better gas mileage. You can't beat that. Plus the standard features: ABS with EBD, ( i think air and side curtain airbags too, but someone correct me if I'm wrong).
The floor model even had curtain airbags in the rear seat of the coupe.
If i was looking right now, i would buy one, and I'm no Honda fan-boy.
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Emor8t wrote:BMW 3 Series
Cadillac DTS
Lexus GS, Lexus IS, Lincoln Zephyr, Mazda 5
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT, Pontiac Solstice, Toyota Avalon
Infiniti M35/M45
all cars > civic
IMO
and id be hard pressed to find a person that would want to pick a civic over those cars.
Totally agree.. Solstice would be my pick, or maybe the Cadillac DTS.. Either one would beat the civic in every test, including fit and finish. Without even opening the link, I knew they'd pick the @!#$vic.. Just another import lovin' crap magazine anyways.
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Emor8t wrote:BMW 3 Series
Cadillac DTS
Lexus GS, Lexus IS, Lincoln Zephyr, Mazda 5
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT, Pontiac Solstice, Toyota Avalon
Infiniti M35/M45
all cars > civic
IMO
and id be hard pressed to find a person that would want to pick a civic over those cars.
they might be better cars (and most are).
but.
they are nowhere near as significant in their respective classes as the civic. the new 3 series maybe, but the rest are nowhere near, the solstice maybe, but it has some pretty glaring faults with the roof that make it pretty impractical, and a pain in the ass to use.
the civic is cheap, sells probably more than half of the rest combined, and has quality that is on par with much more expensive cars. it soundly beats every car in its class, whereas the others have to fight for superiority.
lone_wolf wrote:Emor8t wrote:BMW 3 Series
Cadillac DTS
Lexus GS, Lexus IS, Lincoln Zephyr, Mazda 5
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT, Pontiac Solstice, Toyota Avalon
Infiniti M35/M45
all cars > civic
IMO
and id be hard pressed to find a person that would want to pick a civic over those cars.
Totally agree.. Solstice would be my pick, or maybe the Cadillac DTS.. Either one would beat the civic in every test, including fit and finish. Without even opening the link, I knew they'd pick the @!#$vic.. Just another import lovin' crap magazine anyways.
well, considering that every one of those cars costs AT LEAST $5000 more than a civic does, i'd hope that you would pick those over it. car magazines always pick the best value-to-dollar ratio cars, and the civic is it. there's a reason that corvettes always end up beating ferraris and lambos is comparisons, and it's not because they are better cars
If you guys read the article you'd see why they picked the civic...
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The Motor Trend Evaluation Process
Each year, the editorial staff of Motor Trend evaluates eligible vehicles based on three key categories: Significance, Superiority, and Value. Significance refers to impact on the market and looks for mastery and innovation in engineering, technology, design, safety and packaging. Superiority levels the playing field and looks for class-leading levels of performance, style and functionality within its specific competitive set--not among all new vehicles. Finally, the all-important Value question asks, "What does this vehicle deliver in relation to what the consumer has to pay to purchase and own it?"
There are a ton of cars in that list that are better than the civic but when you include value and significance as 2 thirds of your evaluation then it's not hard to see why the civic won.
Sorry, I'm an american, we don't celebrate the mundane, we champion the best.
Celebration and/or praise of a car that basically boring, albeit its got great "value".
But "Car of the Year" how about something thats actaully innovative. It's your basic cookie-cutter honda.
Like omgz, a new civic and it has 26 more horsepower, So what? That wasn't that powerful to begin with. It needed the more horse. It's now at 140 hp. Oh wow, whopee, so does the Cobalt. Not Impressed. Starts at 14K with no options, once again, not impressed.
In short:
Superior, no
Significance, no
Value, 50/50
Take for example the new IS350
3.5 hp V6 = 300+ hp 85 hp per litre (honda, 77 hp per litre)
6 speed automatic tranny with paddle shifters (honda, 4spd auto/5spd man)
0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds (we all know the civic isn't going to touch that)
Lexus has dual VVT-i and Direct Injection.
It's also still a ULEV.
Thats more superior, significant, and has great value when you consider what your getting, all that power and innovation, in lexus a brand that is known for great quality.
It short, its
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we care what the import loving fags of motor trend think.
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Emor8t wrote:Sorry, I'm an american, we don't celebrate the mundane, we champion the best.
Celebration and/or praise of a car that basically boring, albeit its got great "value".
But "Car of the Year" how about something thats actaully innovative. It's your basic cookie-cutter honda.
Like omgz, a new civic and it has 26 more horsepower, So what? That wasn't that powerful to begin with. It needed the more horse. It's now at 140 hp. Oh wow, whopee, so does the Cobalt. Not Impressed. Starts at 14K with no options, once again, not impressed.
In short:
Superior, no
Significance, no
Value, 50/50
Take for example the new IS350
3.5 hp V6 = 300+ hp 85 hp per litre (honda, 77 hp per litre)
6 speed automatic tranny with paddle shifters (honda, 4spd auto/5spd man)
0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds (we all know the civic isn't going to touch that)
Lexus has dual VVT-i and Direct Injection.
It's also still a ULEV.
Thats more superior, significant, and has great value when you consider what your getting, all that power and innovation, in lexus a brand that is known for great quality.
It short, its .
you like most are missing the point.
the lexus is a FAR better car than the civic.
but....
the civic compared to its competition if FAR superior and will have a much bigger impact on its class' landscape. it will still be the car that all are compared to, and the car that all must try to de-throne
the is350 must fight with its competition and compared to the new 3-series,g35, etc there is no clear winner. they will all fight for market share. it is therefore not as significant a car for the year.
you claim that a "boring" car cant be car of the year? maybe you should start reading EVO as they only test performance vehicles, and only care about fun cars. but my grandmother would certainly appreciate the new civic more than a mazda miata, and you must look at the impact the car will have on every demographic.
your missing the point of what i just said.
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But "Car of the Year" how about something thats actaully innovative. It's your basic cookie-cutter honda.
Like omgz, a new civic and it has 26 more horsepower, So what? That wasn't that powerful to begin with. It needed the more horse. It's now at 140 hp. Oh wow, whopee, so does the Cobalt. Not Impressed. Starts at 14K with no options, once again, not impressed.
Its not any more innovative then the cobalt.
The reason i used the IS350 is that it is a significant departure from the previous generation and makes great leaps and bounds in its class sompared to the previous generation. and its ability to compete with BMW.
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and only care about fun cars.
Yes far be it from me to expect motortrend to pick a "fun" car to "honor" it with the title of "car of the year"
I really don't see what the new Civic has to offer that is so much better than the other cars in its class. Its expensive, ugly inside and out, and that dash is just plain weird looking. The Sedan/Coupe models are only 140HP, which is nothing special, and the Si model is slower than the SRT-4, Cobalt SS S/C, RSX Type-S, and WRX. Meaning pretty much every car in the performance compact class that its supposed to compete against.
I think the award should have gone to either the Solstice or the Fusion. The Fusion is probably the best looking midsizer out there, and its a huge step up from the mediocre Taurus. Everything is done right on that car, it even beat the Camry in a recent C&D test. The Solstice is the first real competition from any manufacturer to challenge the Miata, and its just as good or better in almost every way. Its the best roadster GM has ever made, and one of the best roadsters on the market period.
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i agree with emor8t.....i don't see what's so new and great about it.....there using engine choices and things that have been used for a while in the RSX and other hondas
it's a great car, but car of the year? wtf?
the prirus was a good pic last year, cuz it was an awsome hybrid that was pretyt much like a regular car and got 50+mpg...probably the only car company that has such a great hyrbid......but what in the hell is that civic bringing to the table? nothing great
How can you say that the new civic isn't significant? The amount people are talking about the new civic is proof enough of it's significance. How many times has it already been brought up here (a site for j-bodies no less)? How many millions of people are going to own a new civic? I'd consider that pretty significant. Love it or hate it the civic is one of the top selling cars in North America and (a sucessful) update to that is something I consider pretty significant.
The IS350 is an awesome car but it's hard to see how a car that starts at $36K US is going to do well when 1/3 of the rating is based on value.
You guys keep talking about looks and performance .. looks don't come into play and performance is a small piece of one category out of 3.
97cavy22 wrote:i agree with emor8t.....i don't see what's so new and great about it.....there using engine choices and things that have been used for a while in the RSX and other hondas
it's a great car, but car of the year? wtf?
the prirus was a good pic last year, cuz it was an awsome hybrid that was pretyt much like a regular car and got 50+mpg...probably the only car company that has such a great hyrbid......but what in the hell is that civic bringing to the table? nothing great
the civic comes as a hybrid as well.
i find it funny that everyone on this site hates a car so much, that you are actually angry that it won an award based on its merits.
such a whiny bunch.
i never said i hated the civic. its not a matter of hate/like. Im completly unimpressed by it. I don't think it merits winning an award for "car of the year"
You and others are bringing up points that don't solely rely on the car. IE people can afford it, like it whatever. thats fine. In otherwords they are things like tranny, engine, suspension, etc
I'm not neccasarily saying that its a bad car, but honestly "Car of the year" is a tad over doing it.
When you look at the whole spectrum of cars, its not the fastest, most fuel efficiant, most luxurious, etc. its not the "most" anything. It doesn't even come close to being it.
It's a good commuter car, a good first car.
It just doesn't stand out.
