regrounding, if done properly, can help with power to your electronics.
i've also been told that if you ground your exhaust it'll take longer to rust.
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Whats it does is to decrease the resistance in all your wiring.
Speakers wiring, spark plug wires etc will have less resistance meaning the electricity in the wires will run faster, smoother, and more powerful.
In an Import tuner magazine a Hyperground grounding system dynoed 2-3 peak HP gain at the wheels on a civic SI. Its your call.
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falnfenix wrote:regrounding, if done properly, can help with power to your electronics.
i've also been told that if you ground your exhaust it'll take longer to rust.
really? any proof of grounding the exhaust stopping rust? im not flaming, i just wonder because i would love to slow down rust on my exhaust
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well, i CAN say that an ex of mine had a mild steel exhaust on his prelude...for about 6 years. it had minimal rust after being driven in snow/rain/salty roads for all that time, and it was never garaged. if i ever reground my corolla, i'll be making a point to ground my exhaust as well.
i don't know how many other people have done this - i just know he did.
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save your money, use it for an electronics class instead, you'll then realize this is bunk.
i got these on my car right now
kyle 102565 wrote:save your money, use it for an electronics class instead, you'll then realize this is bunk.
i'd have to disagree...i've seen the differences in other corollas, at least. my ex had regrounded his car poorly...when he redid it, the car ended up slightly quieter, and his electrical system had more power.
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in your opinion, what benefit would a "regrounding" have on a car, its nonsense, its effect on engine performance is zero. in electronics: ground is ground, the only bad one is a loose one. basic electronics law.
if a ground is too small, making it bigger will have an effect
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its still just a ground, it only need be secure and clean. this company is selling battery cables and i'm sure they're good ones but they wont provide any power gains, to think otherwise is to defy the laws of electricity, especially DC. think about this, if you wear bigger shoes will you run faster? study Ohms Law and you'll understand.
a - i said, already, that i noticed a difference in the ELECTRICAL output. not the actual performance of the car.
b - i'm no engineer. i don't understand electronics. i don't touch wiring. all i did was offer my OPINION of what I OBSERVED. never said it helped with HORSEPOWER...it just seems to channel current better.
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kyle 102565 wrote:its still just a ground, it only need be secure and clean. this company is selling battery cables and i'm sure they're good ones but they wont provide any power gains, to think otherwise is to defy the laws of electricity, especially DC. think about this, if you wear bigger shoes will you run faster? study Ohms Law and you'll understand.
it also has to be a ceartain size ground or else it will not work. would you power an amp with a 2 gauge wire and ground it with a 22 gauge, i think not, the stock ground wires are just barely sufficent, sometimes not sufficent enough due to weathering, corrosion ect. so making htem a little bigger does help increase efficiency of the electrical system
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in what way? any intact electrical circuit with a solid ground will not benefit from a larger ground, it does not create anything. resistance is a constant in a circuit, if you decrease resistance you increase current at the cost of amperage. the only reason to decrease resistance is if amperage is increased. if your installing a huge amp then yes go get some Phoenix Gold cables and terminals. but putting larger cables on your moms buick wont do a thing.
kyle 102565 wrote:in your opinion, what benefit would a "regrounding" have on a car, its nonsense, its effect on engine performance is zero. in electronics: ground is ground, the only bad one is a loose one. basic electronics law.
Like I said Import tuner dynoed their civic SI after regrounding to gain 2-3 PEAK HP overall and at some RPMS as much as 5. It will work on any car, how much you gain will depend on current car design and degrading of the electrical system over time.
A wires resistance is measured in OHMS if you create more grounding points and with bigger grounding wires the more the OHMS in the said wires will decrease. To a point.
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
IMO sounds like BS, if you actually noticed effects i would be more inclined to say it had a placebo effect.
Even if its true, and im not sying it isn't either, 60 bucks is a rip.
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yeah, just get some wire yourself and do it, its cheaper
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Just offering my thoughts ... I just installed mines today and went as much detailed as the manual suggested coming from the Alternator, Intake Manifold, Engine Block, Body Chassis, Throttle Body, Head Lights, Transmission Block, and so on my only response is it did what it's suppose to do which is offer a minimal better engine and throttle performance I could actually tell a bit minor difference.. nothing too major which I expected ... but also my Headlights didn’t Dim when im bumping some Three Six Mafia ... which is the real reason ... I got these babies ... overall I'm happy .... So too me... really it's you're call but I will suggest to go to E-Bay because I found a nice kit at much better price then what you selected...
But again it's not going to give you 10+ HP or anything ... The most I expect is a better idle and My Headlights ... Doesn't Dim like it did before ... But again ... I'm Pleased ...
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Jbody2nr wrote:kyle 102565 wrote:in your opinion, what benefit would a "regrounding" have on a car, its nonsense, its effect on engine performance is zero. in electronics: ground is ground, the only bad one is a loose one. basic electronics law.
Like I said Import tuner dynoed their civic SI after regrounding to gain 2-3 PEAK HP overall and at some RPMS as much as 5. It will work on any car, how much you gain will depend on current car design and degrading of the electrical system over time.
A wires resistance is measured in OHMS if you create more grounding points and with bigger grounding wires the more the OHMS in the said wires will decrease. To a point.
this makes no sense. read Ohms Law.
kyle 102565 wrote:in what way? any intact electrical circuit with a solid ground will not benefit from a larger ground, it does not create anything. resistance is a constant in a circuit, if you decrease resistance you increase current at the cost of amperage. the only reason to decrease resistance is if amperage is increased. if your installing a huge amp then yes go get some Phoenix Gold cables and terminals. but putting larger cables on your moms buick wont do a thing.
Ok... if you turn on your headlights... and your rear window defrost... and you've got your stereo cranked up and you're rolling up your power windows... aren't more amps being drawn from the system?
When you're putting up your driver's side window and you start putting up your passenger side window and they both slow down... aren't more amps being drawn from the system?
So if you can make things more efficient with less resistance through the grounds... won't you get better performance at a lesser drain on your alternator?
no, you havent increased your power supply, by just reducing resistance you wont gain anything, a good example is an ignition system, a stock unit has 6 mm wires and works just fine, you boost your engines performance and allow the engine to rev higher, the stock ignition no longer can support the higher demand for more spark, so you install a hi perf ignition with 8mm wires.the larger wire can handle more current. if you want both windows to go up at the same time faster, get a higher output alternator if the engine was stopped it would require a more powerful battery, not less resistant wire with a better larger ground. these are the laws of energy not mine. and the first rule is : you cannot make energy, you can only transform it .
kyle 102565 wrote:not less resistant wire with a better larger ground. these are the laws of energy not mine. and the first rule is : you cannot make energy, you can only transform it .
You can't create it... but you can piss it away right? Doesn't resistance drain power?
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kyle with what your saying about putting 8mm wires on instead of 6mm wires, that is the same concept here. BIGGER WIRES= LESS RESISTANCE with a grounding system you lower the resistance of the 6mm wires. The gains you would see would be minimal. About like putting 8mm wires on.
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
resistance doesnt drain power, it controls current. its a nessesity for a circuit. less resistance will allow more energy to be wasted thru heat dissipation., hence the need for insulation. numerous grounds on a single circuit wont lower resistance. and yes Jbody2nr, larger wires equals less resistance given the same current. but adding better, larger grounds will not lower the resistance of any wire, resistance is dictated by wire guage and thickness of insulation. think about this: if i have a 6mm spark plug wire and i rethread my cylinder head to accept a 2 inch wide spark plug (which provides the ground for the spark when its screwed in) how is that going to lower the resistance in my wire?
kyle wrote:less resistance will allow more energy to be wasted thru heat dissipation
I thought more resistance created heat. Works kind of like a toaster.
kyle wrote:if i have a 6mm spark plug wire and i rethread my cylinder head to accept a 2 inch wide spark plug (which provides the ground for the spark when its screwed in) how is that going to lower the resistance in my wire?
it wont but it should lower the resistance in the spark plug itself. Like if you ground the block or the alternator. What you ground has to be BEFORE the flow of current. Cause all a ground does is to disharge extra static or electrons in a given wire and etc. Meaning less obstruction of flow or lower resistance.
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
