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Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:36 PM
Well I was going to post a question asking how to move the ECU/ECM from the bracket on the strut tower in an 03+ Sunfire to the cabin. But instead I just tackled it myself, so I decided to give a quick how to for anyone else interested in doing this.

Please note I'm not sure on the interior of 03+ cavaliers. Everything should work the same but there's a chance you may not be able to use the same place for the ECU inside the cabin as I did this on a 2003 Sunfire Sedan.

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First off:
Why do this??
Watching PJ's build and seeing a big empty engine bay made me want to clean my own engine bay up. I decided I would try to move the ECU inside the cabin, which lets me get rid of a big ugly bracket and make my strut tower brace fit better.

Pro's:
- Cooler ECU operating temp (I will take a reading on my ECU's temp after driving in the next few days)
- Cleaner engine bay. This actually frees up quite a bit of room in the engine bay.

Con's:
-If you need to wire at the ECU you will have to run individual wires through the firewall grommet which is annoying.

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Tools you will need:

10mm open ended wrench
10 mm socket
ratchet
7.5mm socket
Scissors
13mm socket (optional)
Exacto knife (optional)

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How-to:

Getting Started:
1. Open hood
2. Disconnect negative terminal from battery using 8mm socket and ratchet
3. {Optional} If you have a strut tower brace installed, removing it will help greatly. Remove the two nuts and one bolt on each tower with a 13mm socket.
4. Locate the ECU. It's on the bracket that holds the cruise module (if equipped) and is bolted to the passenger side strut tower.
5. See the grey plastic U shaped tabs on each connector? Flip them all the way forward on the connectors. Pull up on the connectors (at their bases to avoid damage) to disconnect them from the ECU.
6. Flip forward the two tabs on the front of the ECU bracket. Dislodge the ECU from the bracket and set it aside.
7. Follow the main wiring loom along the firewall. Disconnect the first clip using the flat head screwdriver (put in groove, pop open tab). Follow along and cut all zip ties that hold the cruise loom to the ECU loom using either the scissors or the exacto knife. Find the rubber loop sticking out of the loom and remove the 10mm nut holding it to the firewall. Shimmy the rubber loop off of the bolt. The loom should be completely free from the intake area all the way to the passenger side now.
8. Pull the loom over to the intake area to get it into your working space and get it away from the cruise control.
9. {optional} Use a 10 mm socket to disconnect the cruise control's ground bolt from the firewall. Remove the two 10mm nuts holding the bracket to the firewall. Flip the former ECU bracket over and use a 10mm wrench on the two nuts to disconnect the cruise module from the bracket. Discard the bracket. Install the cruise control module onto the top bolt where the bracket had mounted using a 10 mm nut. Reconnect the 10mm ground bolt to the firewall.

The Easy Way:

I started out doing this the hard way. I won't get into the details but I will simply let you in on the easy way to get the connectors into the cabin! My loss is your gain haha

1. Open the drivers door. Get on the ground and lean into the pedal area. See the grey rubber circle with wires coming through the middle of it? That's the firewall grommet.
2. Put the flat head under the outside lip of the grommet and pop it into the firewall. Continue all around the grommet until it is dislodged from the firewall and you can pull it into the cabin an inch or two.
3. Back in the engine bay, grab both connectors and stick your hand down to where the hole for the grommet is.Fish each connector through the gap between the firewall cutout edge and the now dislodged grommet. (right now you are probably thinking great i have a big gap and a dislodged grommet... things are supposed to go into the cabin THROUGH the grommet not around it! Don't worry)
4. That makes things easier. Now climb back into the cabin and grab your scissors. Cut the hole in the centre of the grommet out by making a big + sign shaped slit. Make it just big enough to squeeze the connectors through it. Now grab the connectors and stuff them through the grommet from the backside (yes you should still be in the cabin, this is why we dislodged the grommet. Believe me this is almost impossible to do from inside the engine bay unless you have very small arms or hands). Now pull on the loom until you have you have a good length inside the cabin (it should look like a straight forward path from where the loom splits in the engine bay to the grommet, but not overly tight to where things could be strained.)
5. place the grommet back up into the hole and work the smaller lip (engine bay side of the lip) into the hole by pushing and squeezing it. Your grommet is now back where it should be!
6. Route the loom in the cabin up in front of the clutch and brake pedals. See the OBD port? Next to it on the right (on the underside of the dash) is a bolt and a rectangular plastic piece. Remove the bolt, pull down the plastic piece a bit, put the loom up over it and bolt it back up. Now you won't ever get the loom in the way of the pedals or your feet
7. Your loom is now in the cabin!! Yay but what about the ECU? Don't leave it on the side of the road, go back and get it now.

Finishing up:

This is where the process may be different for cavaliers but let's hope not!

1. Reconnect the ECU on sitting the floor of your cabin. The connectors are different sizes, you can't screw it up. Don't forget to flip back the grey tabs though to lock down the connectors!
2. Back in the engine compartment, reconnect the 8mm negative battery cable.
3. Back in the cabin, turn on the car. Make sure there are no codes. Your old codes are likely cleared from having the battery disconnected so long anyway. Everything is good? Then proceed. (For the record mine was good the first time so I don't know what to do if it isn't.) Turn the car off, idling is bad for the trees .
4. Next to the gas pedal, on the right is a plastic surround that makes a U shape wrapping from the pedal area, around infront of the centre console and over to the passenger foot well. There are two 7.5mm bolts on each side. Remove them all (the one next to the gas pedal is a tough one to reach)
5. Pull back the shroud that you just unbolted on the driver's side but don't pull too hard you don't want to snap the little clip holding the two sides together.
6. Shimmy the ECU into this area which is under your HVAC and is surrounded by the metal bracing for the dash. The ECU should face such that the connector end faces the back of the car and the wires come in from the front of the car side. (it's a tight fit.) You may have to go over to the passenger side a few times, pull back the shroud and wiggle from that side to get it in flush.
7. Put the two bolts back in the passenger side of the shroud. Go back over to the driver side and force the loom up near the top rear of the shroud. Bolt the two bolts back in.
8. In the engine bay reinstall the 13mm nut and two bolts on each of the strut towers. {Don't forget to put your brace on if you took it off}
9. Go look at your sweet engine bay. Pat yourself on the back, clean up your tools, close the hood.
10. Turn on car, go for a test drive and make sure no codes pop up. You are good to go!

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Okay so that is how to relocated the ECU. Well its how I did it anyhow. I don't have pictures of the process because my family took the family camera to the cottage. I will try and get a pic of the completed engine bay soon. Also if anyone wants i can look around for random people's engine bay pics and highlight the place where each step occurs.

Hopefully this helps someone! Comments are welcome.

-Adam

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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 6:57 AM
yeah this has to be one of the easier engine mods. well probably one of the easiest to help clean the bay up. it probalby took you longer to write those instructions as it did to relocate mine lol. looks like you probalby hit all the basis since its as long as it did but it is really simple to do.i think all us indy guys have it done.


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 7:24 AM
It was definately straight forward. Took a little while for me though due to wrestling with the grommet for a bit. But ya I didn't see anything when I searched so I figured, why not say how I did it incase anyone else ever looks.


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 9:48 AM
sndsgood wrote:yeah this has to be one of the easier engine mods. well probably one of the easiest to help clean the bay up. it probably took you longer to write those instructions as it did to relocate mine lol. looks like you probably hit all the basis since its as long as it did but it is really simple to do. i think all us indy guys have it done.


yep. i've recruited most eco's in my area.
brandon is sellin his eco cavfire
tom moved to detroit and won't let me
skunk is back in IL and his hides his webbing of wires in his bay


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 2:59 PM
I need to stop veing lazy and do this to LOL



Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 4:40 PM
ecotecpower wrote:I need to stop veing lazy and do this to LOL


ya and take pics of under your hood. i haven't seen any lately. hehe.


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 4:49 PM
Thanks a lot for doing this write up! I was going to do this yesterday when I installed my cold air intake, but I couldn't figure out how to get the connectors unplugged and then how to get them through the grommet in the firewall and I didn't want to screw anything up so I decided against it for the time being. I will definitely be doing this tomorrow though thanks to your instructions !

One question, is it a tight enough fit that you don't need to secure it once it's been moved inside?

Also, I just wanted to point out that I have an '02 2200 powered Sunfire Sedan and my ECU is on the passenger side strut tower, so apparently some years/models of the 2200s have them on the passenger side strut tower as well as the ECOTECs.

Last but not least, is it the ECU or PCM? I have seen it referred to as both and I would like some clarification on this so to not look like a moron when I list it in my modifications .

Thanks again !






Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 PM
No problem. Haha ECU vs PCM has been screwing me up too... best i can tell is it is the Engine Control Module AND the Powertrain Control Module in that housing which would explain the two connectors. And the Body Control Module is under the dash infront of the drivers door area. Since i've seen it called ECM and ECU i went with ECU for the how-to. It's secure enough that you don't need to tie it down or anything but if it makes you feel better why not. Mine doesn't move around and with the loom routed up over the front of the pedals and held by the plastic piece you don't need to worry about slack there either.

I think they moved the ECU up to the strut tower after a certain year. Before that I think it is in the passenger wheel well area.


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 5:03 PM
From the FAQ in the library:

The ECU or PCM or engine computer (whatever you want to call it) location varies from year to year.

For most first and second gen cars, the ECU is located either beneath the driver's seat, underneath the dash on the passenger's side, or in the glove box.

For third gen cars 95-02, the ECU is located in the passenger side fender, in the bumper. For some 02's and all 03-05 cars, the ECU is bolted to the passenger side strut tower, in the engine bay.



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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 5:07 PM
Ah... so in other words I can call it whatever I want! Yay ! Thanks for the info .






Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Friday, August 01, 2008 8:33 PM
If someone can get some "process" pictures of this I would greatly appreciate it. I seem to do better with pictures than words. Seems pretty easy to do and I may tackle this some day.

Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:24 AM
its much easier to just position this more towards the front of the engine bay which has less heat rather than trying to jam all those cables through the tiny opening in the firewall



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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:23 PM
^^^ True it probably is. But that doesnt really clean up the engine bay. Just moves the wires around



Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:44 PM
lol sweet thanks lol i took mine off and just straped it to the fuse box under the hood lol it wokred but look terrible.
Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:35 PM
when your rid of the stock airbox theres alot more room in there



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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:03 PM
s1lver_N1p (S-m62) wrote:skunk is back in IL and his hides his webbing of wires in his bay


You guys think I get crap now for a "messy" bay. If I had let Chris have his way and move that to the inside I would never hear the end of it.



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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Monday, August 04, 2008 9:11 AM
Rodimus Prime wrote:its much easier to just position this more towards the front of the engine bay which has less heat rather than trying to jam all those cables through the tiny opening in the firewall



this is really a simple process. moving it towards the front would probably require more time involved in mounting it then it is to slice a hole in your grommet and push the entire wire harness thru. it took me less then an hours time to do. on a scale of 1-10 i give it a 1.




J to ENVY i just took two zip ties and ziptied the cpu to just make it secure, with the plastic trim piece on its not going to go anywhere, my concern was just if was loose it may rattle when your driving down the road, and i hate rattles.


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Monday, August 04, 2008 3:48 PM
I wasn't able to get around to it this past weekend, but I plan on getting it done one day this week after work. I was planning on using a couple zip ties just to make sure it stays in place.






Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:56 PM
i give props to adam.if it wasnt for him i probly would of never done this.so i took some pics just follow his instructions.comes out really nice and took about a hour to do.




i recommend removing these two nuts before taking the connectors off the ecu makes it easier












Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:18 PM
Great pictures Kyle! Thanks for posting them. I guess I better get my ass in gear and get this done tonight .






Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:25 PM
Thanks so much for posting those pictures! I felt bad not being able to provide any for so long :S I also didn't realize that if you have AC the cruise will be in a different spot than mine. I'm glad it went well for you and people are finding it useful


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:30 PM
^ Where's your cruise at? Just curious since I have AC .






Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:08 PM
For me since I don't have A/C It's attached to the underside of the ECU bracket (which is why i got into the whole unbolt the cruise, bolt it to the firewall stuff).


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Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:00 AM
Good write up, thanks. Gonna do this when I bolt my turbo setup on later this month.



Re: Relocating ECU to cabin (03+)
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:15 PM
i dont have cruise would of saved me some speeding ticks if i did.
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