im about to order some 4 points for my car because my seat belt doesnt fit my new seats ( its over the top of the bucket and doesnt fit well).
with my "seatbelt light" can i just splice the two wires together and turn it off for good? or would i need to rig that to the harnesses?
also... can i connect my harnesses to the bolts where i have the seats in place? ive never used harnesses before in my car, but i have used them in other cars... just havent installed them.
opinions and help needed... thanks guys
apparently these are illegal to replace regular seat belts. So i wouldnt recommend it.
on the buckle there are 2 wires coming out that plug in under the seat... discount that plug and the light goes away
The lap belts you can just secure in the stock locations. The shoulder belts either need to be attached to the REAR seat belt bolts or you need to put in some sort of harness bar. I used a harness bar out of a civic. Its a REALLY tight fit but it does work
I'm actually looking to remove the cage out of my car for a good harness bar....
nothing cheap but something that is made specifically to withstand a crash
thanks for the input guys thats where i was going to mount them... or planned too... my friend said they HAD to be DRILLED into the subframe or anchored under the floor... i was pretty sure he was just talking...
now does anybody have a website on the legality of them? im not to concerned, but a part of me is always cautious when modding to the point where i would get a ticket and have to pull the mod out... because this is a DD and i travel out of state... im up to code with both states which i spend time in thus far... and i really want the harnesses... not for looks, but for comfort... please dont say its rice to use them and not "race" the car
thanks for the help guys!
My harness bar might as well be a roll bat its that TIGHT!. LOL I can feel a difference in the stiffness of the car
actually if your wearing harneses properly (tight and not loose) harnesses arn't very comfortable. don't think i'd personally want to wear them in a daily driver. youlle have to look up your states codes, but for the most part anytime you remove a cars saftey device its illegal and chances are good on 90% if not 100% of the harnesses you buy will say for offroad use only, meaning they won't meet your states requirements for a sateybelt.
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do you have a roll cage installed???
b.c. if you don't it's not only illegal to change the harnesses but it is more dangerous to have a four point harness then just a seat belt!!!! b/c if you were in a rollover crash and your wearing a factory seatbelt you have room to duck down or at least lean to one side... w/ the harness your in a stationary spot and the car would push straight down on your head!!!! just FYI you may have already known this....
Kevin wrote:do you have a roll cage installed???
b.c. if you don't it's not only illegal to change the harnesses but it is more dangerous to have a four point harness then just a seat belt!!!! b/c if you were in a rollover crash and your wearing a factory seatbelt you have room to duck down or at least lean to one side... w/ the harness your in a stationary spot and the car would push straight down on your head!!!! just FYI you may have already known this....
i never really thought about that... im usually a pretty cautious driver, but that would make sense... thanks for the info.
anybody got a way to ghetto rig seatbelts into fitting better? lol
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if you don't it's not only illegal to change the harnesses but it is more dangerous to have a four point harness then just a seat belt!!!! b/c if you were in a rollover crash and your wearing a factory seatbelt you have room to duck down or at least lean to one side.
this is crap..even with the stock seatbelt when it locks up u cant move all the way over to one side ...ESPECIALLY if you have aftermarket racing seats...maybe if your made of rubber i guess....
im with scott.
The whole point of safety belts, is so that you cant move around in a crash... hence the name restraints.
As for a harness..... Ive used them in race cars. Theyre nice and all, and the ones ive used are padded, so theyre nice and comfortable, but if theres another possible option, id investigate those... Personally for a daily driver, I dont want something i need to sit there and put on. In a daily driver, id rather stick with stock.
i never said you'd be able to "move all the way over to one side" i said you be able to "at least lean to one side" and you cant tell me that if you sit in your car you can't lean over towards the middle of the car....
the point i was making was that factory seatbelts are safer then a four point harness (w/o rollcage)... otherwise why wouldn't they make cars w/ four point harnesses factory???
Fallout 57 wrote:im with scott.
The whole point of safety belts, is so that you cant move around in a crash... hence the name restraints.
As for a harness..... Ive used them in race cars. Theyre nice and all, and the ones ive used are padded, so theyre nice and comfortable, but if theres another possible option, id investigate those... Personally for a daily driver, I dont want something i need to sit there and put on. In a daily driver, id rather stick with stock.
Nope, he is right. You can't move forward in a head on crash. Take a good hit to the side and you are moving sideways. If you do flip on your roof and you hit the ground hard enough to cave your roof in you want to move to the side and not stay stationary in your seat. A stock belt allows that. A harness does not. Hence the need for a roll cage. .
Ahhh, understood. Thanks for clarification.
i still dont agree with the moving to the side...not saying that the harness is less or more safe...but ive tried this,when the seat belt locks up it holds you pretty tight in the seat,and your SPINE wont let you just lean over to the side,you have to twist,but the seatbelt is holding your left sholder, and i doubt if i was in a wreck that i was rolling over in that i would have time to think about fighting with my seatbelt..................i like arguing with you you guys
Thats what i was thinking scott... About how when it locks, it locks you in. Ive only ever been rear ended, so i dont know how factory belts would react in a side impact collision... But i do know, that when you get rear ended atleast, you do not go anywhere.. Being able to move around, no matter how much in a rollover would be a problem.
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the point i was making was that factory seatbelts are safer then a four point harness (w/o rollcage)... otherwise why wouldn't they make cars w/ four point harnesses factory???
Who knows. Maybe its cost. Maybe, its the fact that four any extended drives they get really uncomfortable. Or, the fact that people in a hurry wouldnt take the time to put it on, and the restraints we have now, just pull.
Factories have the job of finding something that works well, and also is comfortable enough that people dont stop using it. What we have now, although not still perfect does whaqt it needs to do, with minimal user annoyance.
You should try to fix what you have. Put something on the seat to move the seat belt over your sholder like its supposed to be. Something like what is on the factory seats, under the headrest that holds the belt. It might look a little goofy, but its comfortable, and legal!
Here I will try to explain again. This is how a 4 point harness works. It locks both shoulders in not allowing you to go side to side or forward if put on properly. So incase of a roll over that causes your roof to crush in, you can not get pushed to the side. It would compress you snapping your neck.
A 3 point like we have in our cars does not do that. It locks you in from going forward. You can still move to one side. So incase of a roll over where the roof gets crushed on top of you, you are able to be pushed sideways. You don't actually try to go sideways, the cars crushing roof pushes you sideways.
And that is why auto makers don't make most cars with 4 point harness'. Or it could also be that hey they like the back seat to work, or people like to move freely in their cars.
the factory belt would hold you from moving forward in a rear end accident because your body will be pushed into the belt. in a rollover depending on which way your rolling the force of the roll is going to move your body over or the force of the roof coming down on your head would push you out of the way. the shoulder belt doesnt tighten up when an accident occurs, it just locks up so a hard jerk to the side is going to push your body to the side. in the harneses your not moving anywhere at all. even in racing seats id bet that in a rollover with stock belts your body would slide out of the way on a side impact crash.
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idk but all this talk has me thinking now....
keep using this thread i guess, so i dont take a billion threads for my seats topic.
im thinking about picking up two more seats (similar styling) so they look alike, but the front seats will bend forward (like stockers) and in the back, i will put the two seats i have now.
any thoughts on what i would need to do all this? i know i would probably have to drop the gas tank and bolt up from underneath. but i think 4 seats as opposed to the two buckets and bench (5 seater) would be cool. and somewhat original especially around here
just wondering cus i dont have any..i know some guys use the child safety belt mount in the rear deck to hook their harness too..and that seems fine to me but my 95 never came with those..are those mounts removable? like, can i swap a set over to use in my 95?? anyone ever try this?
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i dont know just never considered the rear deck strong enough to keep you in place.
well i mean the rear deck is where the shoulder strap is bolted too..which holds your upper body..and thats all im trying to do is find somthing to bolt my shoulder straps too..so be it as thin as it may look it is steel and probably the best place i personally have to bolt it too..since i have a backseat delete
