Does anyone know if the G6 6m crank has the same bolt pattern to bolt up to the 3400? I know the tranny will bolt to the 3400, but what other mods besides tranny mounts will have to be done to the 3400 and the tranny itself?
maybe i missed something, but you do not bolt the TRANNY to the crank.
it goes crank, flywheel, clutch, TOB... trans is bolted to the BLOCK, and the imput shaft from the tranny slides into the center of the clutch.
the engine that mates to the G6 6 speed is the 3900 I believe..... it uses the same crank bolt pattern as the 2.8, 3.1, 3100, 3400, 3500..... as far as I know.
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The G6 6 Speed will bolt to ANY FWD V6 made by GM. I know that the crank doesn't bolt to the engine block or the tranny housing. I'm talking about internals. Does anyone know if the G6 internals are compatible with the 3400.
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Does anyone know if the G6 internals are compatible with the 3400.
That would be a negative. However, if you have a 3400, you can take the top end (heads/intakes) from a 3500 (non-vvt) that's out of the malibu or g6, and swap them to the 3400 for a power boost. But that's about it.
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Does anyone know if the G6 internals are compatible with the 3400.
That would be a negative. However, if you have a 3400, you can take the top end (heads/intakes) from a 3500 (non-vvt) that's out of the malibu or g6, and swap them to the 3400 for a power boost. But that's about it.
How would that help me in any way in running a 3400 with a 6 speed? WTF does the heads and intakes have to do with the tranny?
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The G6 6 Speed will bolt to ANY FWD V6 made by GM.
Other than the Quad 4/LD9 or Ecotec families, of course. Which only takes out...hmmm....about half the registered users here.
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ZlineDavid wrote:Quote:
The G6 6 Speed will bolt to ANY FWD V6 made by GM.
Other than the Quad 4/LD9 or Ecotec families, of course. Which only takes out...hmmm....about half the registered users here.
Since when was an LD9 and an ecotec a FWD V6?
Ok, if it bolts up fine and everything...
what about the linkage into the drivers compartment? thats where the problem lies
Michael Antle wrote:ZlineDavid wrote:Quote:
The G6 6 Speed will bolt to ANY FWD V6 made by GM.
Other than the Quad 4/LD9 or Ecotec families, of course. Which only takes out...hmmm....about half the registered users here.
Since when was an LD9 and an ecotec a FWD V6?
The Quad 4 V6 is a little-known engine variant that runs better if you overfill the headlamp fluid slightly.
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The Quad 4 V6 is a little-known engine variant that runs better if you overfill the headlamp fluid slightly.
This is where most people make there mistakes. The headlamp fluid will NOT cause it to run better. Using Mobil One Blinker Fluid, and Modern Performance Muffler Bearing should free up those lost HP.
Holy crap guys.... he's asking if teh flywheel/clutch situation will work.
Why the run around?
If the 3400 clutch and flywheel wont work, there is the possibility that the 3500 flywheel will bolt to the 3400 crank and you can use that with that clutch. If that doesn't work, it is possible that the ecotec/saab flywheel and clutch will bolt on and you can use that.
There is also the possibliitly that no other flywheel will swap and you can use the 3500 crank in your 3400 OR you can use a 3400 flywheel and machine it to accept a eco/saab, g6 or c20let clutch.
My money would go with the c20let clutch because they have an aftermarket much like the american honda. That swap may be a bolt on affair, it may need holes drilled/tapped for the clutch mounting (hand drill and a clutch allignment tool.) It may need the flywheel to be slightly machined or it may require you to add a shim to the throw out bearing or use a thicker one all together.
You wont find out until you have the components in hand because the swap hasn't been done yet.
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Thanks for your input, now someone go try the swap and tell me what they come up with
Why don't you go try it??
Look on some Fiero sites, search for G6 6 speed swaps..... I am sure you will find something because I know some Fiero owners have swapped them into their 3800 SC powered Fiero's.
I don't know of any Fiero forums, I don't even know anyone with a fiero.
It doesnt matter, try searching, you would be amazed at what you could find, seriously.
Here, ask this guy, its similar to what you need to know, different cars. Thank me when you put it together
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Geeky wrote:Michael Antle wrote:Geeky wrote:
The Quad 4 V6 is a little-known engine variant that runs better if you overfill the headlamp fluid slightly.
This is where most people make there mistakes. The headlamp fluid will NOT cause it to run better. Using Mobil One Blinker Fluid, and Modern Performance Muffler Bearing should free up those lost HP.
Well played, sir.
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I believe there was a "quad 6", though. one of the first GM DOHC V-6 engines. Made by Oldsmobile, used in the Alero... seriously.
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Thanks guys, I just contacted the guy and I'll see what he has to say. The swap should take place this spring/summer/fall while I'll be driving my other car. This will be my daily driver so I'm going to keep it NA. I'll be doing the IRS Swap, and the NWF Brake Swap, and that's it.
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I've said that before... it never works
Hey Kardain, You've never steered me wrong in the past. Do you know if I can use a 3500 Crank in a 3400? if so, I can use the flywheel and the clutch from the 3500 too?
You might want to start checking out 60degreeV6.com, as there are a few guys who have pretty much just torn down 3500 and 3900 engines for no other reason than learning what makes them tick.
If I remember correctly, the 3500 and 3900 engines use a higher resolution crank sensor, so if you were to swap it, you would have to go with the 3500 electronics. Since the 3500 heads and intake are better than the 3100/3400, why would you even want to start with a 3400 and swap in just the crank. You might as well just go for the 3500.
You can use the crank...the sensor is on the pulley. However, I'd still ask the question of why start with the 3400 if you're going to swap the crank? It's going to be more expensive, and it will be hard to come across just a crank, since the engines are so new.
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toyotaz87 wrote:Geeky wrote:Michael Antle wrote:Geeky wrote:
The Quad 4 V6 is a little-known engine variant that runs better if you overfill the headlamp fluid slightly.
This is where most people make there mistakes. The headlamp fluid will NOT cause it to run better. Using Mobil One Blinker Fluid, and Modern Performance Muffler Bearing should free up those lost HP.
Well played, sir.
woot for the B.S. war!!! LMFAO
I believe there was a "quad 6", though. one of the first GM DOHC V-6 engines. Made by Oldsmobile, used in the Alero... seriously.
I believe you are think of the TDC (Twin Dual Cam) found in the Z34. Which was built off of a 3.1L 60 deg motor.
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Well, I've now decided to go with the Getrag from my parts car. it's alot less @!#$ around then going with the 6 speed. The 6 speed has almost Identical gear ratios, so other than the 6th gear which won't do anything for you only save you very little gas on long trips, theres not much point for the 6 speed.
