Basically, im swapping to a 5 speed on my 2200 and I want the gearing of the 2.4L. I think the bell housing is sectional, right? I know the bell housing is different, just wondering if I can get the bell housing for the 2.2l to mate up withe the 2.4L tranny.
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Oh yeah, if this will work, would I need a clutch for a 2.4l or 2.2l? I would assume the flywheel would be the 2.2l, but if the trans is from a 2.4l, I thought the clutch would need to be for the 2.4l
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You need to buy a 2.4 trans, and swap the guts into your 2.2 housing. The housing bisects past the bellhousing, so in order to swap gears, you have to do just that, no bellhousing swapping only.
To try to give you an idea of what's involved.......
....you need to first remove the retaining nuts that hold the springs/balls in place that keep your shift forks from shifting into 2 gears at once.
Then, you remove the lid from the trans (side opposite the bellhousing) and take the nuts off the shafts, and remove the roll pin from the shift fork to slide the gears off. The gear with the syncro needs to come off all as one piece (sliding the shift fork with it) or you'll have a hell of a time getting it back together.
Once the gears are removed, there is a plate and some retaining cips to be removed before you can split the main sections of the housing to expose the gearsets.
You must gently pry the sections apart being careful not to gouge the mating surface and lift the top section of the housing off.
Next is removal of the retaining plate for the shift forks. It can be a real bitch getting the bolt out that is way in the back and might be easier if you remove the reverse gear and shift mechanism first.
Now, if you think this was hard so far, it only gets worse. There are a series of little steel balls and pins that need to come out of the shift fork shafts and you must know the exact location of each to put them back or your trans will be fubar.
Once those are removed, you can pull the gearsets and shift forks all out as one (the same way you'll need to put them back in, it's quite the balancing act, trust me)
Then the diff can come out and the process can be reversed installing the new stuff.
If you're not mechanically inclined, just don't even bother, you'll spend 15-20 hours of you time to be very dissapointed in the end when your trans doesn't work.
*Disclaimer-----I might have missed something here because I'm typing fast so I don't miss family guy......gotta run, c-ya
Holy mother of God, I figured it'd be a bitch! So, is it even worth the effort for the better gearing, or just go with the 2.2l trans? BTW, thanx Nitro for the details!
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I'd just stick with what you have.
I have a set of 2.4 cryotreated gears for sale if you are interested.
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13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
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How much are you asking for those anyways? I see you pushing them all over the place, lol.
02turbo wrote:Holy mother of God, I figured it'd be a bitch! So, is it even worth the effort for the better gearing, or just go with the 2.2l trans? BTW, thanx Nitro for the details!
NVGT550 out of a Beretta GTZ. Then just swap the bellhousing and make a custom mount. Quad 4 gears with only a bellhousing swap (and a small custom bracket).
James Cahill wrote:02turbo wrote:Holy mother of God, I figured it'd be a bitch! So, is it even worth the effort for the better gearing, or just go with the 2.2l trans? BTW, thanx Nitro for the details!
NVGT550 out of a Beretta GTZ. Then just swap the bellhousing and make a custom mount. Quad 4 gears with only a bellhousing swap (and a small custom bracket).
No, no, no. Like I said before, you cannot just take off the bellhousing, it is an integral part of the housing. The only way to theoretically change bellhousings is to take the whole trans apart and use the half of the housing with the bellhousing you need with the guts you will be using. Then it doesn't matter which trans half you use to cap it of with, NVG and Izuzu's are all the same with only minor differences. However, the input shaft bearing is different from NVG's to Izuzu's, so you would have to get the Izuzu input shaft bearing surface machined to accept the NVG style bearing, but no amount of machine work will let an NVG casing hold izuzu guts, you actually need to add material to do that. In other words, Izuzu cases should have Izuzu guts and NVG's should have NVG guts, it doesn't make sense to waste money trying to mix and match. And for 2.2 owners, you's want to get a Muncie out of an older 3.1 car, becasue the bellhousing patterns actually match (from what I hear), go figure.
Nitro wrote:James Cahill wrote:02turbo wrote:Holy mother of God, I figured it'd be a bitch! So, is it even worth the effort for the better gearing, or just go with the 2.2l trans? BTW, thanx Nitro for the details!
NVGT550 out of a Beretta GTZ. Then just swap the bellhousing and make a custom mount. Quad 4 gears with only a bellhousing swap (and a small custom bracket).
No, no, no. Like I said before, you cannot just take off the bellhousing, it is an integral part of the housing. The only way to theoretically change bellhousings is to take the whole trans apart and use the half of the housing with the bellhousing you need with the guts you will be using. Then it doesn't matter which trans half you use to cap it of with, NVG and Izuzu's are all the same with only minor differences. However, the input shaft bearing is different from NVG's to Izuzu's, so you would have to get the Izuzu input shaft bearing surface machined to accept the NVG style bearing, but no amount of machine work will let an NVG casing hold izuzu guts, you actually need to add material to do that. In other words, Izuzu cases should have Izuzu guts and NVG's should have NVG guts, it doesn't make sense to waste money trying to mix and match. And for 2.2 owners, you's want to get a Muncie out of an older 3.1 car, becasue the bellhousing patterns actually match (from what I hear), go figure.
The Beretta GTZ Quad 4 and the 3.1 use the same trans except for the gears. The bellhousing (or inner 1/2 of the case, whichever you prefer) is a direct swap. The only difference in cases is the engine side of it. So, split the case, use the outer half of the Beretta trans, and the inner half of the 3.1 trans. Its been done several times by guys with 3.1s wanting different gearing. You can even swap individual gears if you want.
Yes the 60 degree V6 (2.8/3.1/3x00) bellhousing bolt pattern is the same as the 2.2/2200. I'm using an NVGT550 trans behind my 2.2.
It's not as easy as you make it sound. In order to swap that side of the case, you have to remove all the gearsets, retainer springs and balls, and shift forks. By the time your done doing that, you might as well just swap the whole case and just keep the guts you want in the case you need. It's not like you can just unbolt the bellhousing and bolt it back onto the other tranny. Read my 1st post in this thread. He obvioulsy didn't want to go through that kind of work to swap guts, so why would he want to do the same amount of work to swap bellhousings?
Ok, so we're on the same page here, we both know what can/needs to be done. I (and I'm guessing you too) don't consider that a whole lot of work, so its not a big deal to me.
Well, I've done it several times, and it's still a PITA everytime I do it. If you don't have everything back together just so, with the correct torque specs and everything, you basically just f-ed up a perfectly good trans. So so far as it not being a big deal, ok, if you can afford to do it over and over again every couple months.
