If I go turbo, will I need to reflash my pcm or can I just get a Greddy E-manage or an Apexi SAFC-2 or such applications. I was planning on going NA so I never looked in turbo, but can anyone help me and tell me what I will have to do computer wise? Becuase I can't find any shops near me that will reflash mine, only ones are maddly expensive and are not in reasonable driving distance. I found that these self-management items are less expensive. Any help would be nice, thanks.
Oh and what gains should I expect if I got one of these applications without boost or juice?
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as far as i know there is no reflash for you year. I would look into the Mega Squrit its a standalone but it seems to be helping a lot of ppl.
Thanx Charles
Link? And how would I know if the Greddy E-manage or an Apexi SAFC-2 will fit for my car, because the description says.. will fit most cars. I don't know if Eco's fit in "most cars", knowing how maddly different they are from all those imports.
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dario wrote:Link? And how would I know if the Greddy E-manage or an Apexi SAFC-2 will fit for my car, because the description says.. will fit most cars. I don't know if Eco's fit in "most cars", knowing how maddly different they are from all those imports.
E-Manage and SAFC-2 are universal. They use basic wiring so pretty much any car can use them, including ours. I personally have an SAFC-2 in my vehicle.
As far as boost goes, SAFC won't help you much as far as tuning. With an SAFC, you'll be tuning according to RPM, not Boost. It's important to keep a good a/f mixture and I don't think an SAFC will cut it. As far as the E-manage goes, it works but I've seen in the past where people have had issues with it on the ECOTEC computers when it came to tuning a boosted vehicle.
Your best bets for tuning is to use an FMU (Cartech Adjustable is very popular) or the Megasquirt Standalone unit (which is what I am going to be using). The Megasquirt unit requires a laptop for tuning and is a bit more involved as far as the installationi goes. You can read more about it here:
www.megasquirt.info.
If you have anymore questions, just ask.
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I wouldn't consider the SAFC-2 completely useless to boost. I'd see it coming in handy for a supercharged app. like mine, but I don't have the money for that yet. From what I've seen, and what NJHK said (darn, I've been saying that alot, haha), the Megasquirt is the way to go with a turbo'd Eco. It completely bypasses the computer and let's you control everything your engine is doing. As for an FMU, I'd go with the adjustable Cartech (I think CAR-2025 is the p/n for the one I'm talking about) but you also have the choice of the ever-reliable Vortech FMU.
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It depends on how much work has been done to your engine. If all you have are simple bolt-ons then it wouldn't make much difference. But if you have extensive headwork then tuning for the right amount of air and fuel would be a smart idea. For example, like NJHK said, he has a P&P'd head, if I'm not mistaken, and some other goodies that had a significant impact on his fuel, which is why he went with an SAFC-2. Since his car is N/A (but not for long), he used the SAFC-2 because it was RPM dependant. Hope that helped.
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Yes it did, so just to make sure, all I need is that to tune my car if I'm NA? Sounds good, one more question. What's the difference between the Greddy one and the Apexi one?
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I checked out your profile and it doesn't seem as though you have much done to your engine. Operating either of these two systems on your current engine setup, in my opinion, wouldn't justify the price spent on them. You can always reset your engine by unplugging the battery for a few minutes (turn on your lights to let the electricity drain from the engine) then plugging it back in. If the mods change anything then the computer will relearn a/f ratios and take to the mods 'better' (so to speak).
I haven't researched all the specs on both the E-Manage and the SAFC-2, that's something you might want to read up on. But I will say this, I have heard and read that the E-Manage often clashes with our OBD-II computers. I haven't finished reading and figuring out what exactly was happening, maybe someone could fill in with more details, but I assume it has to do with the computer's open and closed loop operations.
With that said, Megasquirt, put simply, is an Awesome system to have. Again, that depends on how much work you have done, how much money you have, etc.
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I'm getting more in the near future. I should be finished with everything in about 6 months or $4,000. But as for the Megasuirt, I need to know that it is a lot better then the E-Manage or SAFC-2, becuase it costs twice as much.. and I only want to get what would benefit me most for the money.
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First off, get rid of the word 'best' from your vocabulary. It all depends on what you want to do, how much money you have, how much has already been done, and so on. There is no 'best' system, there's just things that are wise choices for your specific setup. You should decide what you'll like to do before purchasing an engine management system. It doesn't make sense to buy an engine management setup before you have an engine to manage, haha. $4k is alot of money, that would make an awesome boosted Eco. If you have your heart set on N/A, then that's a different story.
If you had the choice, I would recommend staying away from E-Manage. Like I said before, there have been many problems with the computer trying to interfere with its operation. The SAFC-2 is RPM dependant, so it depends on the setup. Although a few have used it for their turbo'd engines, its not something I would look into for turbo since turbo is load dependant. On the other hand, again, like I said before, for a built N/A motor an SAFC-2 would be a good choice. Megasquirt was already touched on in NJHK's post and he even provided a link for you. I suggest you check it out before making that your decision. A laptop is needed for MS as well as time to learn the system and how to operate it.
Hope that helped you out. If you have any questions, just ask. You can always IM me on AIM and save yourself some posts.
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I'm going turbo pretty soon...I was wondering would i really benefit from a SAFC-2?
I already bought a Cartech adj. fmu that I'm gonna use.
Well said, Shifted.
mahcmos - A standalone system isn't necessary for fuel management; some people buy it so they can have greater control over their setup. Your Cartech adjustable FMU will suit you just fine, just make sure to pick up a wideband oxygen sensor so you'll know how to much to adjust.
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