The old Dodge Shadow were like that. They had the Tb before the turbo(like the Gm Sc) and no BOV. I wonder if the idea is good or not?!?!?
The tb control the amount of air going to the turbo and it eliminate the need of a blow off valve.
Another thing, right now my turbo is pretty much level. Can i put the turbo with an angle? I'd like to mount it like the V8 (compressor side toward the front of the car and the turbine toward the firewall) but with the turbine side lower than the compressor.
Gilles
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Gilles, in the maximum boost book it states not to go past 20 deg. from 90deg. horizontal. As for mounting the turbo compressor towards the front, ya. They're's no problem with that. But as for the TB in fron of the turbo.....?????, hmmm.....not too sure. I wonder if you would have to convert to MAF system????
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The old Shadow had a MAP and no MAF from what I saw. It should still make the same pressure and vacuum.
Thanks for the info about the degree of angle.
Gilles
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Thats how the 85 Buick GNs are. now there are a few cons they have learned with this setup. This way requires a beefy turbo (strength) A turbo is meant to gather air and pressure it. When you stop the flow of air into the turbo while it is spooling you put unwanted stress on the internals of the turbo. It causes a cavitation inside the turbo. which leads to more lag in between shifts and poor turbo life.
That is called a draw-thru sysem and is undesireable for a good number of reasons. one is the ugly wot suitation that occurs if you blow off a charge pipe.
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All of your reason are good reason not to do it so I won't.
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All of the things I would address would covered, especially what I would say about the gravity feed and oil lines. You CAN rotate the center section should the turbo position fall out of that degree range.
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Spotabee - I know I can clock the center section but my question was for the whole turbo. Usually the turbo are mount the same way the engine is (side to side) but I wanted to mount it length wise. Like front to rear. Like across the engine so I wanted to know the angle I could give the turbo.
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I would like to have the turbo the other way with an angle.
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Gilles
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Hmmm. I dunno, I suck at this visualization stuff.
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I should have use the preview button.
Anyway I'll scrap the idea.
Gilles
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Good question! I don't see people asking good ones like this on here enough anymore! And yes - there are several reasons not to use it and all of them have been stated
Thanks for the info Bill.
Protonus - Well alot of people just buy kits and forget about the rest. when you have a 2.3Ho and you want to turbo it. You need to be creative and find a spot to place it. A T3 super 60 would have been easy but my T3/T04E compressor housing is too big to fit behing the engine. I had to take out the heater fan to put the turbo. Now I'm building another manifold and the turbo will me on top of the engine. That's why I ask about putting the turbo the other way (the compressor towards the front of the car and the turbine towards the firewall. I would have give it an angle to make it easier. I would have put the Tb in front of the turbo so no BOV and easier to mount on the manifold since space is something rare in the engine bay.
I'll just mount the turbo like everybody else but on top of the engine with the Tb after the turbo.
Gilles
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Mfk-223 wrote:Thanks for the info Bill.
Protonus - Well alot of people just buy kits and forget about the rest. when you have a 2.3Ho and you want to turbo it. You need to be creative and find a spot to place it. A T3 super 60 would have been easy but my T3/T04E compressor housing is too big to fit behing the engine. I had to take out the heater fan to put the turbo. Now I'm building another manifold and the turbo will me on top of the engine. That's why I ask about putting the turbo the other way (the compressor towards the front of the car and the turbine towards the firewall. I would have give it an angle to make it easier. I would have put the Tb in front of the turbo so no BOV and easier to mount on the manifold since space is something rare in the engine bay.
I'll just mount the turbo like everybody else but on top of the engine with the Tb after the turbo.
i was thinking... well what if you had a custom turbo manifold done, positioned the turbo down further where it isn't hitting against the firewall, and did a catch can and a sump system to pump the oil out of the turbo...
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no space. If I put the turbo underneath the manifold, I run into the coolant line for the heater core. Down further I'm in the shifter cables. Down further more I'm in the swaybar.
With a T3 super 60 the job would have been alot easier but my compressor housing is like 8" in diameter. I saw the picture of Karo engine with the T4 setup from Hahn. I check it out but the metal pipe for the 2.3 water pump has the outlet for the heater core right in the way.
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