i wanna know how a supercharger works cause i may have a little M90 project with my 2.2 installing a grand prix GTP supercarger on it that ill get for 50$ still really good (the guy replaced it with a bigger one) i know i need a mounting point,brakets and the pulley need to meet the strap but other than this im lost
I know it pick ups air from the opposite side of the pulley but is the throttle body on the side of the charger or it is still the stock one in the stock placement on the car ? also the "squarish" end of the charger pushes air into the intake manifold am i right ?
The supercharger is connected on one side with your crank belt. The faster your crank moves, the more the belt moves and spins the supercharger. When the supercharger spins, it makes compressed air enter your intake manifold.
If you look in that picture (by the way is a Cobalt SS engine bay), on the left side of the supercharger, at the very end, is where the belt is held onto the supercharger.
The square piece on the right is the throttle body. It works just like it would without a supercharger, you press the throttle, the butterfly opens and allows air to enter. Depending on the vehicle, if it had no supercharger, it would just connect to the intake manifold which would more than like be sitting on top of the manifold instead of being on the side like on the supercharger.
Hopefully this has helped you out. If you have more questions, just ask.
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By the way, this more so goes for the root style superchargers, not the centrifugal superchargers.
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so with my 2.2 i keep the original TB and place the charger so the belt make the pulley turn,where the trottle body normally is on the charger i run a pipe to my air filter and thats it ?
sunstealth wrote:so with my 2.2 i keep the original TB and place the charger so the belt make the pulley turn,where the trottle body normally is on the charger i run a pipe to my air filter and thats it ?
Wait...you're trying to put a roots supercharger on your 2.2 OHV?
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NJHK (That Black Guy) wrote:
Wait...you're trying to put a roots supercharger on your 2.2 OHV?
I believe thats what he's trying to do.
Bold new territory for a 2.2OHV by my reading.
B Malkins wrote:NJHK (That Black Guy) wrote:
Wait...you're trying to put a roots supercharger on your 2.2 OHV?
I believe thats what he's trying to do.
Bold new territory for a 2.2OHV by my reading.
I honestly don't think it's physically possible...
Even if you could switch the supercharger around and mount it on the intake manifold, the belt side would be on the wrong side.
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Its possible to do, the again with the right skill anything is possible. They way your setup will be as far as air flow it this: Throttle body/supercharger inlet, Supercharger outlet/ custom manifold, and then the cutsom manifold/ head. Honestly the head ports of the 2200 wont be able to flow what an M90 can push. You would be better off with the M62. it requires less power to turn and allows for greater clearances. Now if you wanted to use an M62 off of a BMW then you can have one with an Electronic engagement clutch and it mounts independant of the motor, allowing more flexability for mounting. the Toyota M90 have a simmilar mounting setup without the clutch. Hell if there is a market for the 2200's for roots chargers I will look into it after the 2.4 kits are complete. Dont worry Eco guys, if Gm's kit isnt out, you are on deck after the 2.4's.
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fats02z28 wrote:Its possible to do, the again with the right skill anything is possible. They way your setup will be as far as air flow it this: Throttle body/supercharger inlet, Supercharger outlet/ custom manifold, and then the cutsom manifold/ head. Honestly the head ports of the 2200 wont be able to flow what an M90 can push. You would be better off with the M62. it requires less power to turn and allows for greater clearances. Now if you wanted to use an M62 off of a BMW then you can have one with an Electronic engagement clutch and it mounts independant of the motor, allowing more flexability for mounting. the Toyota M90 have a simmilar mounting setup without the clutch. Hell if there is a market for the 2200's for roots chargers I will look into it after the 2.4 kits are complete. Dont worry Eco guys, if Gm's kit isnt out, you are on deck after the 2.4's.
If what you're saying is correct, I'd like to see this happen
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doesn't coolant and go through the supercharger or something? Or oil?
Adam - It can be done. It has been done on the 2.3. It's just a matther of creation. It's gonna be hard since the PS pump is in the way but can be done.
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Skylar-The Eaton chargers are self-contained, meaning there is seperate oil lines. There is also no coolant lines running through them.
NJHK- if there is enough of a demand, I will go through the stages to develop a 2200 kit. Right now there is more then enough demand for a 2.4 M62 kits and I have a car to do fitment and development on. The demand for the Eco kit is also there but GM is developing a kit also. SO if GM releases their kit for the Eco's then i will move right along to the 2200 kits.
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We really need an edit button lol, self-contained means NO seperate oil lines. stupid typo
2002 Z28: Slp coldair Pac, Corsa Catback, 3200 stall
make one for the 2.3 aswell
Hey fats, I'm not sure of the neck length on the m62, but if you plan on placing the charger on the intake manifold side, you may want to look into using a S10 lower intake manifold and an adapter plate, as it would place the charger closer to the existing belt. Also, as mentioned previously, you would need to remove the power steering. This applies to 97- 2.2s only. On the 98+ 2200s, you would need a completely custom manifold.
Of course, you could always remote mount it like the european manufacturers like to do. There's a thread possibly in the archives with a guy who did that with a mercedes M45 on an LD9.
I've been looking into using an M45 on my 96 for a little while now, and I'm planning to give it a shot after the engine goes back in and gets broken in.
To the original poster: The factory TB is removed, you only use the one on the SC. This sucks the air in, and it comes out through a large square port on the 'bottom' of the charger and then through your intake manifold.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
fats02z28 wrote:Its possible to do, the again with the right skill anything is possible. They way your setup will be as far as air flow it this: Throttle body/supercharger inlet, Supercharger outlet/ custom manifold, and then the cutsom manifold/ head. Honestly the head ports of the 2200 wont be able to flow what an M90 can push. You would be better off with the M62. it requires less power to turn and allows for greater clearances. Now if you wanted to use an M62 off of a BMW then you can have one with an Electronic engagement clutch and it mounts independant of the motor, allowing more flexability for mounting. the Toyota M90 have a simmilar mounting setup without the clutch. Hell if there is a market for the 2200's for roots chargers I will look into it after the 2.4 kits are complete. Dont worry Eco guys, if Gm's kit isnt out, you are on deck after the 2.4's.
Isn't there like a custom crossover bar you can get made.... if the pulley is on the wrong side the belt is connected to ONE side of the crossover bar and the other side is connected to the accesories belt!
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an M90 on a 2.2L!!!!
talk about blown, you'll be replacing parts every day almost. The m90 is a large S/C for the 2.3L(since it was made for the V6-V8 motors), and even then, you really need to build the motor to make it live.
Go for it, I want to see it happen. If it does, I'll shake your hand, it's a true accomplishment. You have my support as a fellow enthusiast.
NJHK (That Black Guy) wrote:The supercharger is connected on one side with your crank belt. The faster your crank moves, the more the belt moves and spins the supercharger. When the supercharger spins, it makes compressed air enter your intake manifold.
is off just a WEE bit. a supercharger does NOT compress air, it pushes it. the way superchargers work is they push the air faster, causing a pressure increase after the rotors as the air is forced quicker to the engine.
centrifugal and screw style chargers do compress the air then give it to the manifold, roots do not.
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Viper98912 wrote:NJHK (That Black Guy) wrote:The supercharger is connected on one side with your crank belt. The faster your crank moves, the more the belt moves and spins the supercharger. When the supercharger spins, it makes compressed air enter your intake manifold.
is off just a WEE bit. a supercharger does NOT compress air, it pushes it. the way superchargers work is they push the air faster, causing a pressure increase after the rotors as the air is forced quicker to the engine.
centrifugal and screw style chargers do compress the air then give it to the manifold, roots do not.
Thank you for the correction
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fats02z28 wrote:Skylar-The Eaton chargers are self-contained, meaning there is seperate oil lines. There is also no coolant lines running through them.
Your a little off there. The M90 does have collant passages that run through it to the TB and then back through the lower intake manifold. Trust me I soaked myself when I installed my water to air intercooler under mine because I didn't drain the coolant. They are not really that important as they just run to the TB for cold starts and can be blocked off. There is also some PCV passage ways through it as well. Here is a pic to show you what I mean with the coolant passages marked...
I hope that clears that up a bit. You are right about the oil. It is self-contained in the snout of the supercharger. Even if you could mount an M90 and make it work I truely believe it would be way too much for a stock motor.
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it was just an idea
looks like ill be better with a centrifugal charger if i do it, Maybe one froma G60 ?
Raven- I was only saying there is none cause you dont have to run it. Sorry for the mix up.
Viper- All superchargers are compressors, hense why there is heat soak problems with boost. It still compresses the air, thats how a charger creates boost.
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it is a type of compressor, but the compressor wheel itself (in this case, the rotors of chajah) DO NOT compress the air itself. they force it through, hence the nickname blower.
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