Im lookin gto get a new car since i just wrote off my sunfire. It had a 2.2 so it was hard to tubo cause it had side feed injectors so im looking into a 2200 how good are these motors stock to run turbo and how strong are they? the one im looking at is a 99 with a 2200 and about 120000km....phil

Well there weaker, but in a way, better. At least in my, completely non-biased point of view They come with 115 hp stock, but your probably looking more at about 100 to the wheels, however they do come with a bit of torque, 135 ft/lbs. As far as turbo'ing them goes its a hell of a lot easier, being they're SFI engines. I only say they're better in a way because GM made improvements on the 2.2 model with the 2200. Their weakest point is their head constriction, open that up and you open up a lot of possibilities. They also have roller rockers, which i believe was a notable improvment. They take a good beating, you just have to unlock the power right. The stock injectors arnt much, and would need to be replaced, but thats pretty damn easy given their location. The fuel pump will also need to go if your going to run more pressure at the rail, other then that they dont have very many common problems. I turbo'd my 2200 in a weekend, and it was the best damn thing ive ever done. I highly recommend going turbo with one, all in all, ive probably spent maybe 11 grand on my car, including what i paid for it 4 years ago, and to beat people who just spend 20 or 30 grand on a stock "fast" car like an SRT-4 or WRX is just the most satisfying feeling in the world.

2200's dont have roller rockers, and I've yet to see the benefit of sequential fuel injection rather then bottom end fuel economy.

I think the 2200/2.2 is a great base for boosting. You have to start somewhere, and I think you'll sooner find bottom end oiling problems on 2.4's then 2.2's (puts on the flamesuit) sorry but proof is in the pudding.

2200 did however have 1.54:1 rockers vs. the 2.2 which had 1.5:1 rockers.

With an opened up top end, and a built bottom end, I think you'd have a reliable workhorse that consistently beats up on DOHC's.

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With an opened up top end, and a built bottom end, I think you'd have a reliable workhorse that consistently beats up on DOHC's.

As you said though, the proof is in the pudding. I'd personally start off with a more powerful and more efficient engine. If not, the first few pounds of boost are for "catch up" just to make what another stock option motor makes. There is more strain after that to surpass it. If you start off with a 2.4, do the 2.3 oil pump conversion on the block and you will be SET for oiling. If you don't mind the wiring, you could also go ahead and swap for an ecotec which is being proven more and more every day in this forum!
I have one built 2.3 high output turbo motor under construction and one built 2.0 sohc turbo motor. Both are strong and relatively reliable engines.



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I agree, and I never said any engines were inferior. I am definately biased in my own opinion, much like every other j owner with whatever engine platform they run.

In terms of potential, I think its all dependant on how fast you want to go, and how much money you want to spend.

well to answer your question about the 2200 first of all you must make sure your talking about the 2200 and not the 2.2 ohv....... 2000+ has the 2200... because if your talking about the 2200 if DOES have roller Rockers, and check out my registry to see how much it can handle..........I made 222.3 whp at 10.5 psi....... stong ???? I think so......
I can beat a regular corvette......c5 2004.......
now the 2.2 ohv will be harder to boost..... due to the @!#$ty head thats on it (no roller rockers stock) ... and the fact that it has a crappy injector style........
so eic(EXTRA INJECTOR CONTROL) is needed... or a feed conversion is needed...
BOOOOO in my opinion....
save up and get s 2000+ and get the 2200 if your

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^^^ umm acually you are wrong on that one...2.2 for 3rd gens was 95-97 and the 2200 started in 98 and up. None of them have roller rockers per say but the 2200 has roller fulcrums or pivot points. I do know this much so anything 98 and up does hae the top feed injectors so i know that problem is goign to be avoided, im just more worried about the bottom end holding up.....i know the 2.4's have a very weak bottom end if you bag them and i do so i think im goiing to go with the 2200....good price low k easy to turbo in comparison to the 2.2....phil

the 2200's are superior to the 2.2's in terms of fuel delivery, I say its a good choice.

im a witness to a 00'(2000) automatic 2200 with stock internals running 14 pounds of boost frequently at the Rocky Mountain Raceway track here in salt lake, UT

people laugh at me cuz i got a cavy in a CARWORLD of honda's and other jap cars. but i would love to see there faces when they get a taste of the cav. (im not cocky! i witnesses the cav take on some cars that WILL make u say "WHOA!!!"

i would say its a strong 4cyl.....and i agree with cory forson when it comes to Rich snobs who can afford the srt-4's and the wrx's. ---->A turboed 2200 WILL EASILY BEAT UP THOSE CARS.

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so if money wasnt an option but reliablity was which turbod car would be better? Id run low boost until the proper upgrdes were in place of course both cars have the same km 120xxx km....im just worried about spiining abearing..is that a normal thing on 2.4s?

the 2200 has been my choice for a turbo motor to build... currently working on putting together an LS1-slapper.




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yup the #3 main bearing likes to say bye bye... however I know someone in my area who I see on occasion .. He's running 14 psi on the stock bottom end of a 2.4 and he hasn't spun @!#$....
but he has a great tune... fuel pump, 36 lbs injectors, fmu, safc, msd dis2, coil packs he has everything .... so.....

think about it like this... the 2200 has the LEAST amount of moving parts internally... so it will be the cheapest to build up for boost....
my head built is worth 1400cdn from the local performace shop.....

get a 2200........ I'm not bias...

Lee


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the 2.4 has more of an oil and piston problem than the 2200. i have seen ten times more LD9's with spun bearings (yes it's the #3 in just about all of them) then I ever see bad 2200's.




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good old push rod design....



Lee


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Lee wrote:good old push rod design....



Lee

pushrod motors are GM's legacy. How long as it been since the LS1 has changed? GM knows how to build a good pushrod motor. And so do I




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Spotabee Racing wrote:pushrod motors are GM's legacy. How long as it been since the LS1 has changed? GM knows how to build a good pushrod motor. And so do I

hahahaha, this made me laugh out loud when will yours be done? Maybe we'll both be done at the same time, and can compare dyno runs

I'm a big fan of the boosted LN2's, and I definately am biased.