Ok, I did a search, found some good info but still a few questions I want to ask.
Can I use the injectors off the 2.0 motor?
How is the boost controlled? By a wastegate?
Does the 9-3 have a sidemount intercooler or no intercooler?
Is there any major difficulty I will run into if attempting this?
If you can help me out somewhat, I'd appreciate it.
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90% of turbos are controlling the boost by the wastegate... no different here.....
Injectors.... as long as they are the same style... side feed or top feed or whatever...and they have the same impedence then your good to go...
Side mounted intercooler.....
and best idea....
Buy the motor and do the swap.... forged internals on that 2.0.....
start saving for the 2003 9-3 motor..... you won't regret it...
as far as little problems you'd have ...
No Idea I've never seen it done I only know it can be done !!!
Lee
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my opinion will help cause i had the setup and helped install it on someone elses car.
Can I use the injectors off the 2.0 motor?
-yes you will need a safc to controal them because the car "lopes" like a v8 with them
you can put them on the oldstyle rail no problem or the 03+ rail with the injector spacers
How is the boost controlled? By a wastegate?
-the boost is controlled my an internal wastegate. the factory one is set at about 10psi +/- 1 or 2 psi.....we have seen as much 11 and as low as 8...it has an adjuster nut but its on there really tight and we didnt want to break it so we left it as was
Does the 9-3 have a sidemount intercooler or no intercooler?
-im not sure the engine we got didnt have an intercooler
Is there any major difficulty I will run into if attempting this?
-the downpipe will require a straight 90 bend down and is a liltte trickyit looks kinda like a question mark.
-you can tap the pan....easier than the lower girdle
-running the intercooler pipe should be really easy if you are running an intercooler
If you go to Azjbo.org there are some pictures in a thread by brandonson in the performance section( title is somethign like new exhaust)
if you have any questions hit me up. Im sure brandon wouldnt mind making another downpipe.
it took us 3 full days to put the whole setup on. but we custom made alot of stuff and had access to plasma cutter and welder for the exhaust/ charge pipes.
Any questions hit me up on aim
domestictuner
Snowman wrote:my opinion will help cause i had the setup and helped install it on someone elses car.
Can I use the injectors off the 2.0 motor?
-yes you will need a safc to controal them because the car "lopes" like a v8 with them
you can put them on the oldstyle rail no problem or the 03+ rail with the injector spacers
How is the boost controlled? By a wastegate?
-the boost is controlled my an internal wastegate. the factory one is set at about 10psi +/- 1 or 2 psi.....we have seen as much 11 and as low as 8...it has an adjuster nut but its on there really tight and we didnt want to break it so we left it as was
Does the 9-3 have a sidemount intercooler or no intercooler?
-im not sure the engine we got didnt have an intercooler
Is there any major difficulty I will run into if attempting this?
-the downpipe will require a straight 90 bend down and is a liltte trickyit looks kinda like a question mark.
-you can tap the pan....easier than the lower girdle
-running the intercooler pipe should be really easy if you are running an intercooler
If you go to Azjbo.org there are some pictures in a thread by brandonson in the performance section( title is somethign like new exhaust)
if you have any questions hit me up. Im sure brandon wouldnt mind making another downpipe.
it took us 3 full days to put the whole setup on. but we custom made alot of stuff and had access to plasma cutter and welder for the exhaust/ charge pipes.
Any questions hit me up on aim
domestictuner
first, you can use your safc2 adam or adjust your base pressure with an AFPR because they are bigger injectors, since you have the safc2 use it, it is not NEEDED with the bigger injectors.
tapping the girdle is EASIER it's already there, plus there is a lot more material more threading. I HIGHLY suggest this over the pan
I sguuest having ti towed to an exhaust shop once it's on so they can run the charge pipes..
adam IM me if you need more help
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first, you can use your safc2 adam or adjust your base pressure with an AFPR because they are bigger injectors, since you have the safc2 use it, it is not NEEDED with the bigger injectors.
Phil, I'm slightly confussed...are you saying that I should use my stock injectors and adjust with my SAFC or use the 2.0 injectors and adjust with my SAFC?
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no, you can use the saab injectors, but he was saying you NEED an safc2 to use the saab injectors because they lope..
he is slightly wrong, you can either get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and turn your base pressure down a little or adjust on your safc2. but remember on the ecotecs the safc2 doesnt adjust idle that well, so I SUGGEST going to get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
I am using the saab injectors without an safc2 and mine arent loping, you just need to adjust your base pressure
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OK Snowman, brandonson's setup is non-intercooled, did you run into any heating issues?
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as i stated it was just my opinion.
but none the less....if you are going the route of the saab turbo and you can get the engine too.
then just swap out the girdle.
also if you remove the girdle ou have ot replace all the girdle bolts per as gm manuals.
where as if you do the pan you just throw on a bead of gms and your good.
both are good ways to do either.
i was just letting you know what we did on my buddies install
Snowman wrote:as i stated it was just my opinion.
but none the less....if you are going the route of the saab turbo and you can get the engine too.
then just swap out the girdle.
also if you remove the girdle ou have ot replace all the girdle bolts per as gm manuals.
where as if you do the pan you just throw on a bead of gms and your good.
both are good ways to do either.
i was just letting you know what we did on my buddies install
I am still confused.. there is no need for girdle swapping anywhere
adam our girdles are the exact cast of saabs current 2003+ 2l ecotecs..
on the back of our block is the cast of the return hook up from the saab turbo engines, just drill it out and tap and voila you have your factory saab turbo setup AND factory saab oil return!
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your confusing me
if you have the saab engine its easiest to swap the girdle cause its already made for the oil retun....its all plug and play.
so all you do is
swap girdle
install turbo manifold
install turbo
plug in oil return
voila your done
then you find the right fitting for the oil feed and bam no drilling/no tapping/ just a simple swapping out of parts.
or you can do what qbe did. its just all preference.
i just lucked out when i got the whole engine turbo and all for 250
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OK Snowman, brandonson's setup is non-intercooled, did you run into any heating issues?
not to my knowledge...its regluarly over 105 here in phoenix and he has not had any real problems....i think his a/f is 12.8 or 12.1 in boost....but he is just running a fmu and wideband
his a/f might be fine, but he's probably pulling timing like mad in temps like that at 10ish psi with no intercooler.
And Phil, i believe what snowman is saying is that the saab engine already has the girdle tapped, you instead of drilling and tapping it yourself you could just get the girdle and swap it in.
If you're going through the trouble of a custom turbo kit, its better to get as much done in one shot as possible. Rich ran his car non intercooled at 5 psi for a few days but then had to go and fab the pipes for the frontmount anyway. Adam, you car is an 03 right? If so you're lucky because it seems that the 04+ eco ecu's insist on a 15:1 a/f ratio... thats what made tuning rich's car such a pain in the ass, under 5 psi it would be at 80 psi of fuel pressure on 440 cc injectors and the damn thing would STILL lean out in the top end because the ECU was pulling back injector pulsewidth. Actually, talk to rich, he might be willing to sell you the FMU that he bought (its still in the car but not actually doing anything). He also has some leftover steel charge pipes, but you stay away from those, they're mine!
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the saab turbo girdle has the drain back hole already , because its stock with a turbo
brandon isnt running a intercooler yet , he is working on getting everything he needs , and he is trying to get into high boost , he said he see's about 9psi at full throttle and cant get it any lower
but he isnt scared to blow a motor either , cause he knows how easy it is to get 1 and swap in another motor , LOL
i think tapping the girdle is a lot cheaper then buying a saab motor for the girdle, but thats me
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Well, i don't think the point was to buy the motor for the girdle, it was to say that if you got the whole engine for parts, you could use it. If the saab turbo engines are going for as cheap as the 2.2 ecos that keep showing up on ebay for $200-500, then it would be easiest to get everything in one shot that way.
Obviously, its not hard to drill and tap a hole, but if you happen to have the part available, why not?
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Hey Adam...
I have a Cartech Begi Adj FMU i'm not gonna use with my S/C setup....my engine is being rebuilt right now...i was running a Vortech FMU and the ADJ was jsut sittin in my trunk...if you wanna take a look at it..let me know-Whit
so does this mean that a manifold from the saab WILL fit on my ECO? i was told it would and it wouldnt, so i just wanna make sure.
has to be from as 2003+ turbo ecotec motor
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QBE (73H 800573D 0N3) wrote:has to be from as 2003+ turbo ecotec motor
what he said ^^
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
The turbo on the 9-3 is a T3, correct?
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NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:The turbo on the 9-3 is a T3, correct?
ya. it's like a 54 comp / 48 exhaust
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
Spotabee Racing wrote:NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:The turbo on the 9-3 is a T3, correct?
ya. it's like a 54 comp / 48 exhaust
Thanks.
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I think I remember when I was looking it's like the equivalent of a garrett T25
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QBE (73H 800573D 0N3) wrote:I think I remember when I was looking it's like the equivalent of a garrett T25
Not necessarily. The T25 is a bit smaller and uses a different flange. Those cars come with the Garrett GT1752 turbocharger. Just a tad larger, internally wastagated and supportive of up to 18 to 20 psi if i remember right.
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Spotabee Racing wrote:NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:The turbo on the 9-3 is a T3, correct?
ya. it's like a 54 comp / 48 exhaust
The turbo on a 2003+ Saab 93 is a Mitsubishi TDO4. Not sure the compressor or turbine a/r's.
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