I talked to matt at venom/python. He gave me an injector part number for injectors for my car he also insisted that they must be installed right the first time, Or they will leak. Iff you kink the lower o ring you will get fuel plowing by the o ring should I get these or not???
horsepower is how hard you hit the wall, Torque is how far you push the wall with you
I've never heard anything good about venom injectors, or for most of venom products in general.
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It may just be an old wives tale, but from what I remember, all the side-fed 2.2L guys that have tried them have had nothing but leaks, and they were all gurenteed a quality fit as well. You've been around here more than long enough to know all about these...just go with the cheap 2200 top-feed conversion like VTLoki
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just go with the cheap 2200 top-feed conversion like VTLoki
For grins, I bought 4 injector bosses for about $50. I just have to get some tools set up in the shop and start messing with this.
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just go with the cheap 2200 top-feed conversion like VTLoki
For grins, I bought 4 injector bosses for about $50. I just have to get some tools set up in the shop and start messing with this.
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Where'd you get the bosses? I know Tony got his from SDS, but they discontinued them recently.
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Im also listening as to where you got yours
the only other place I've seen them is atpturbo, and I really dont want to deal with UPS
If anyone in the U.S. orders them from ATPTurbo, I would like to chip in for my 4 and have them shipped up to me via USPS.
ATPTurbo charges $90 for shipping to Canada. (yes, thats $90!!)
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also I mean the extra injector bosses.
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I bought mine from Ross Machine. I looked specifically for tall bosses with a small OD.
On the right is the side feed injector and on the left is an injector similar to an LT1 part. My camera batteries died, so I couldn't get any more shots, but the recess for the lower O ring of the injector is only machined about 1/2" into the top of the boss. This leaves most of the remainder for adjusting height. The OD of the boss is only slightly larger than the OD of the O ring. I am thinking that I'll machine the boss to fit in the manifold. I'll probably get the 98+ fuel rail next (anyone have a spare one to loan out??) and determine what the placement of the injectors needs to be, then I can cut the OD of the bosses as far up as needed. The machining process will leave a step which will stop the boss from being pressed too far into the manifold. It sounds good in theory, but time will tell if it works.
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what about using one of their fuel rails, and drilling/reaming at your own desired angle?
that way you dont have to be limited by the angle of an already drilled/fabbed fuel rail?
very good link though, thank you!
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slowolej wrote:I bought mine from Ross Machine. I looked specifically for tall bosses with a small OD.
On the right is the side feed injector and on the left is an injector similar to an LT1 part. My camera batteries died, so I couldn't get any more shots, but the recess for the lower O ring of the injector is only machined about 1/2" into the top of the boss. This leaves most of the remainder for adjusting height. The OD of the boss is only slightly larger than the OD of the O ring. I am thinking that I'll machine the boss to fit in the manifold. I'll probably get the 98+ fuel rail next (anyone have a spare one to loan out??) and determine what the placement of the injectors needs to be, then I can cut the OD of the bosses as far up as needed. The machining process will leave a step which will stop the boss from being pressed too far into the manifold. It sounds good in theory, but time will tell if it works.
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I might be worried about reaming off too much material if the OD of the boss is only slightly larger than the OD of the o-ring...BUT if you want to give it a shot, I have an extra 2200 manifold with FUEL RAIL and injectors in my garage (I was planning on making a couple of these conversion manifolds, but one should be enough). However, depending where you are, you could probably pick up the fuel rail at a junkyard cheaper than shipping would be for it.
And just out of curiosity, why are you tackling this project? just for craps and giggles? I thought you had your fuel issues all figured out (lucky OBDI)...
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Screw those Venom injectors. They suck. Just go with an EIC from Simple Digital Systems.
http://www.sdsefi.com
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And just out of curiosity, why are you tackling this project? just for craps and giggles? I thought you had your fuel issues all figured out (lucky OBDI)...
It's the challenge of it. I'm right along with PJ about the OHV guys getting too much flak, and a cheap + easy conversion outta bring a few more 2.2 guys into the fight.
So far, the yards I've talked to in this area are selling engines rather than parts from the 2200.
I'm in New England...
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And just out of curiosity, why are you tackling this project? just for craps and giggles? I thought you had your fuel issues all figured out (lucky OBDI)...
It's the challenge of it. I'm right along with PJ about the OHV guys getting too much flak, and a cheap + easy conversion outta bring a few more 2.2 guys into the fight.
So far, the yards I've talked to in this area are selling engines rather than parts from the 2200.
I'm in New England...
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Well that's a very good reason
Rock on!
That would suck not to have a pull-a-part or anything of that nature. We have miles and miles worth of them around here, let me know if you don't have any luck. I'm sure you're familiar, but car-part.com would be my starting point, it looks like they have a few listed up there at least.
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If I recall correctly Force Fuel Injection in FL has some injector bungs as well.
I got mine originally from SDS for my aluminum intake mani.
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that way you dont have to be limited by the angle of an already drilled/fabbed fuel rail?
That's a dang good question. The rail's inexpensive and it's easy to work with. But making holes in fuel rail stock which will seal the injector O rings requires quite a bit more precision and care than machining the injector bungs or manifold to put the injectors in. Each hole in the fuel rail needs to be at the right angle, the right diameter, the correct smoothness, or problems can develop. But installing the bosses in the manifold can be set up a little differently. And in order to make this a DIY project, I'm going to try and use as few machine tools as possible.
BTW, Josh. Sorry for steering this post off topic. The archives have many complaints about Venom injectors. If a top feed conversion can be set up cheaply, maybe no one has to deal with these parts again.
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So I just went to summit racing since it's down the street from me.
They had good news and bad news for me. Bad news is that they don't have the 380cc injectors for me. BOO but good news they have the 430cc injectors two sets of them for under $300.00. How much money are you putting into the top feed conversion???
how much fabrication does it take??
horsepower is how hard you hit the wall, Torque is how far you push the wall with you
Josh Csepegi (CUYOTE) wrote:So I just went to summit racing since it's down the street from me.
They had good news and bad news for me. Bad news is that they don't have the 380cc injectors for me. BOO but good news they have the 430cc injectors two sets of them for under $300.00. How much money are you putting into the top feed conversion???
how much fabrication does it take??
Essentially, you need a 2.2L intake manifold, and a 2200 fuel rail. Then get some Bosch style injectors, and bore out the intake manifold ports to fit the injectors (need to make them seal too). Or, you can get some injector bosses, and weld them to the manifold (the machining wouldn't have to be AS exact). You also have to bend the fuel rail brackets to mount to the 2.2L manifold.
Did anyone ever buy Tony G's set-up?
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You'd better check what fuel pressure those flow ratings are at before you spend money. If they're selling TBI injectors than you may have to lower the fuel pressure. And you need to confirm that they are the correct resistance.
I've spent $41.91 for the injector bosses (the receipt is right here).
I just pulled out my spare cylinder head and intake manifold combination this morning. I'm going to see if I can set everything up with a drill press at the house. That's kind of a common tool for homeowners. At least it's more common than a 3 axis CNC milling machine.
The fuel rail is about $125 new. Used injectors from Ebay could run between $60 and $160.
I'm going to try and keep this as low cost as possible and reduce the amount of "trick" work that I do. It will take time to figure out and I'm not in a hurry, so there may be no updates for a while.
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Did anyone ever buy Tony G's set-up?
Did he go by "Lowfire?" If so, Event jost posted pics of that setup saying it's in his garage. Nice, but expensive, Hogan sheet metal intake on that.
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I think I'm going to buy some of those injector bosses later this week, and see if I can get a close enough fit with a dremel
to have them welded in.
Tony Gibson had a turboed black fire with cryoed internals that kept giving him crap, so he eventually gave up and was selling his stuff in pieces. First to do the top-feed conversion on the org (AFAIK), pics of which are in his registry (above link).
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tony lives about 5 minutes away.
I asked him about his top feed conversion.
He sold it to the same punk that bought his engine.
its too bad, as I should have picked that up when I had the chance.
He's a good friend of mine, and i had a good long chat with him a while back about it.
He paid almost $1000 in machining to get that manifold the way he wanted it.
If only he knew me earlier, we could have got that done for nearly free.
now, I only wish I could track down his transmission! He had a fire in the back of the car and they wrote it off.. I can't find it in any of the local junkyards, and I have tried
for how much downtime he had, he said the top feed swap wasn't worth it for him.
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frank ur cute always trying to make a sale
i used venom but i had them rebuild my stock injectors to the appropriate size.... matt knows his stuff he helped me out a great deal being that they kept sending me ford injectors that wouldn't fit my car....... so then we desided to rebuild my own injectors i think it cost like 297 dollars... i am not sure if the price will be different for you since i have a 2200 2.2
anyway matt usually recommends a company called venomperformance.com there you will speak to a cute sounding girl named penny she is very good at making sure your happy!!! that company is based in california.
here is the bottom line their own injectors blow. they leak....... if you have them rebuild your current injectors to the appropriate size, your in bussiness... but you will have about 1-2 weeks of down time.
