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Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:27 AM
Well.... until my tranny blew I was running 12-14 psi on a stock bottom end with my built up top end... the car seems to be taking it well. I'm running quite a bit rich and the car needs a tune....

Since the garbage MK7 #5 for me blew up merging into traffic not even under boost, I figured it was time for an upgrade.

After some great help from a few members I have decided to grab a NVG-T550 Transmission, H.O equal length axles, Spec Stage 3 clutch (badly needed), new tranny mounts and a set of control arm bushings.

The NVG T550 after some research is a tremendous option for us boosted guys, sporting a stout differential, strong gears, a longer 1st and 2nd gear and a shorter 3rd 4th and 5th it actually puts the power where it should be.

Anybody with a boosted LD9 and MK7 knows that 1st gear is just TOO short.

That's my little update. I'm still waiting to hit the rollers for #'s... now that I'll have a strong transmission, good axles and a strong clutch I assume I"ll roll her onto a dyno sometime in august for a very mild tune (I'm broke! haha) and get some #'s.....

Any guesses on what kind of WHP I'll make in and around 12 psi?

(Look at my mod list before you guess, haha)

-Chris-



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:25 AM
I'm guessing 270 WHP.

Otherwise you'll need some new vinyl.






Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:41 AM
the W41 trans ive got is the same or close to the same 1 and 2nd gears , but has a different 3 and 5th gear

the HO version had the regular gearing

and there is no equal length half shafts , just the bearing plate that holds the outer side of the axle


keep in mind my W41 trans is in my 92 SCX , not my cav


and isnt the MK7 the 2.2 isuzu trans code ? cause that is the way i see them listed on ebay


and im with WW 270'ish







Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:50 AM
150 tops...fricken ghetto setup



Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:50 AM
Face it Chris, your makin 110whp on that leaf blower turbo setup you have





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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:52 AM
I'm guess a loud KABOOM is well on it's way to you pretty soon.



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:59 AM
power has a price



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:28 AM
Mr. Pute wrote:I'm guess a loud KABOOM is well on it's way to you pretty soon.


Yeah I'm afraid of that too... which is why when it dynotunes I'm turning the boost down to about 255 whp.

But hey - it has held for about 3000 miles now. Hasn't knocked once, hasn't shown any signs....

Remember I have a big turbo, that power comes on gradually... it doesn't just suddenly boost up to 14psi at 1800 rpm

Either way... we'll see!

As for the equal length... IMO it's more equal length because of the jack shaft... it at least has less torque steer and a thicker axle to work with... but you're right they're still not "equal length" axles.

-Chris-



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:58 AM
Rodimus Prime wrote:power has a price


Yep. And he's paid it.





Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:02 AM
Wild Weasel wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:power has a price


Yep. And he's paid it.


PAID?

Are you joking me?

PAYING.

It's direct deposit straight from my broken heart. Haha.

-Chris-



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:55 AM




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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:44 PM
SunfighterGT wrote:
Wild Weasel wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:power has a price


Yep. And he's paid it.


PAID?

Are you joking me?

PAYING.

It's direct deposit straight from my broken heart. Haha.

-Chris-





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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:08 PM
I looked in you registry and you have listed a modified 180 stat. How did you modify it?



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:01 PM
so what blew on MK7 #5?

did you try sourcing out stronger diff gears from earlier impulse transmissions?

I'm just curious as to why you're turfing it, other then the diff.




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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:52 PM
Im guessin 250whp. Gonna need new stickers
Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:10 PM
260 whp + yellow stickers = 350 whp




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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:37 PM
He ditched the tr4anny cuz its garbage. The Isuzu's are known for being trash. This one he blew 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and reverse in. Plus there is a nice big hole in the case!!


Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:38 PM
Oh, and Im guessing 96 hp at the crank. I've been in your car Chris, its damn slow!


Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:00 PM
John, it was drilled out in the centre for flow I believe. Joe @ Ractech did it 3 years ago.

Stevefire - I'm turfing it because I'm sick of the isuzu, to be honest. My tranny is under warrenty with my car so it'll be fixed - they'll get me a new tranny but won't open it up at their cost and really in the time it takes to find the new diff, etc etc I'd rather just go to the NVG-T550 which is already stronger stock, and practically a bolt-on.

I've heard too many good things about it to pass it up.... especially with the different gearing and smoother shifting.

I have been sitting for months thinking about what power the car is probably making at 12psi... doing calculations.

I figure being VERY pessismistic I'm only making 10hp/psi - tho I don't see that being possible with the size of the turbo, pipes and intercooler and the efficiency that was mapped out against the car... but let's ASSUME only 10hp / psi at the wheels.

thats 120 hp to the wheels right there.

Looking at my registry, I think I'm making more than 150 whp n/a but lets again be pessimistic and assume that's it.

So that's the 270 whp..... but in reality I think I'm making more than that.... which scares me because those stock rods must be crying in agony now.

let's not even mention the 14psi.

Either way the car is being tuned to about 255 - 260 whp and that's it for now. I don't have the time or money for a bottom end. Am I being stupid? Possibly but I have almost every safety net in place for the engine save for an actual upgraded bottom end... a bit of tuning and we'll see what she can do.

My warrenty company is gonna be pissed when I phone them for ANOTHER tranny. Hahahha.

-Chris-



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:14 PM
So the T550 bolts right up w/o an adapter plate? What about the hubs? Do the splines match the new shafts or do you need to upgrade the hubs too? If my cryotreated tranny goes on me, that will be a serious consideration for me. Does my Getrag bolt up the same as the Isuzu? Thanks for any info.




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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:37 PM
gtpsunfire wrote:Oh, and Im guessing 96 hp at the crank. I've been in your car Chris, its damn slow!


I smell something burning...







Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:28 PM
Check those new axles of yours...... I belive thier going to be short. At least our GTZ axles were..... about 3/4" on both of them. The 95 J's also used the 'jack shaft' on the passenger side...... they should work, if you find yours are too short....... autozone, advance auto, and pep boys all carry the 97+ style though......

Burnout wrote:So the T550 bolts right up w/o an adapter plate? What about the hubs? Do the splines match the new shafts or do you need to upgrade the hubs too? If my cryotreated tranny goes on me, that will be a serious consideration for me. Does my Getrag bolt up the same as the Isuzu? Thanks for any info.


All Quad 4/Twin Cams share the same bellhousing pattern..... it will bolt up. You will need to make/modify your mounts for the trans to bolt to the car though, and also change your shifter and cables. As far as I have seen, all the axles for the Quad trannies interchange (except for the older ones being shorter then the 3rd Gen Js) Also, the older Quad trannies used the same style flywheel as the 00+ getrag.... so a 00+ clutch and flywheel will work (although I have also always been told the 95-99 clutch/flywheel will also work with either)

IMO, the 00+ getrag trans is a better way to go........




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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:24 AM
With 12lbs of boost, your bottom end is shot up like biggie smalls, on the dyno it will pop.
Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:26 AM
i'm thinking if theres no tuning in the next week kaboom if it makes it to the dyno then 260ish whp then kaboom later. unless u turn the boost down.



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Re: Sweetness - 14 PSI: Stock Internals
Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:32 AM
so I saw your car at the jco bash it was balls out

but I do have to interject something. you would need a intercooler that was over 150% efficient to get more than 10 hp per lb of boost
but thats just what the caculation's say. I would say that at sea level on a 80deg day you would be able to make 9 hp per lb of boost



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