so yea im in the process of selling my gm supercharger cause i thought things over and would rather go turbo. (interest in purchase of my supercharger look in the classifields) but anyways I was looking and i noticed my options is either cavalier extreme or cavalier connections. Im looking for a full kit intercooler and all and out of the 2 what would everyone from the org recommend. as far as fuel management will go im gonna get a fuel pump, injectors, and safc. what else would be recommended for addition to the kit. Im looking to run like 8 to 10 psi and aim for 200+hp and tq. plus if i were to go with a bigger turbo in the future will i still be able to use the manifold from the kit or would need to search for a new one.
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Our kits are currently the lowest priced setups on the market right now for the J-Body.
The Stage 3 kit (with intercooler, fuel pump, FMU, and fuel lines) is $2699 and our injectors are only an additional $300.
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basically the only thing that has me worried is controlling fuel. Its my only car so i cant afford it to be down cause i killed it from lack of fuel. Im assuming if i were to get a fmu and fpr along with some bigger injectors probably rc 310cc or 440cc. I live like 10 min away from a dyno so thats no big deal as far as tuning.
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S_Charged_Cavy wrote:basically the only thing that has me worried is controlling fuel. Its my only car so i cant afford it to be down cause i killed it from lack of fuel. Im assuming if i were to get a fmu and fpr along with some bigger injectors probably rc 310cc or 440cc. I live like 10 min away from a dyno so thats no big deal as far as tuning.
if dyno tuning is no big deal, then get yourself an adjustable FPR to tune down your fuel pressure at idle (I recommend Aeromotive) and an SAFC to tune your fuel curves on the dyno. Injectors depends on how much power you want to make. What boost levels are you considering running? If it's 10psi or less then the 310cc injectors will be just fine.
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go with cavalier conection, there about the only kit built well for our cars right now, alot of thought was put into there kits, everything will bolt right up. cheaper isn't always better the cavalier extreme "kit" is just a bunch of parts thrown together and not test fitted... the only pic i have seen of it looked like crap.
since your car is a 2000+ i would sugest running the reflash, 2bar map and 310 injectors then you don't have to worry about tunning it.
but then again if its your only car and cant realy have down time you would probably be better off sticking with the GM Supercharger.
Derek Z24 wrote:go with cavalier conection, there about the only kit built well for our cars right now, alot of thought was put into there kits, everything will bolt right up. cheaper isn't always better the cavalier extreme "kit" is just a bunch of parts thrown together and not test fitted... the only pic i have seen of it looked like crap.
i don't see much difference in the CC and CE kits, except for misc stuff and of course the beautiful cav connection turbo header. personally i think someone needs to make an equal length manifold similar to the design of the Full Race honda manifolds... seen below
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Derek Z24 wrote:go with cavalier conection, there about the only kit built well for our cars right now, alot of thought was put into there kits, everything will bolt right up. cheaper isn't always better the cavalier extreme "kit" is just a bunch of parts thrown together and not test fitted... the only pic i have seen of it looked like crap.
since your car is a 2000+ i would sugest running the reflash, 2bar map and 310 injectors then you don't have to worry about tunning it.
but then again if its your only car and cant realy have down time you would probably be better off sticking with the GM Supercharger.
I would have to agree with what he said about the CE kit about.... not test fitted and cheaper isnt always better. Im really curious to hear some feedback from the people that supposedly bought the CE kit.
As far is the CC kit... I don't know anybody that has one but the "Quick and Dirty" pictures on the website dont help out at all. Also i dont think that CC has any other stages besides Stage 1 (no intercooler or fuel upgrades) thats up on their website for $2450
My option of the best kit out for j-body's right now is Hahn Stage 2 for $3800 ($3500 on sale every now and then) that includes the following:
HRC/ Mitsubishi Super 16G Turbocharger (Not sure how good of a turbo this is)
Oil feed and return lines
Turbocharger exhaust manifold
Exhaust Downpipe assembly
Front-mount Intercooler (I dont like the 'non standard' design of this intercooler)
Intercooler inlet and outlet piping
Air inlet system w/ filter
Silicone couplers and clamps
Blow-off valve
Upgraded Fuel Injectors
Hi-volume inline fuel pump
Fuel Injection Control Unit
All required hardware, wiring, hoses, brackets, and gaskets
Comprehensive installation and tuning manual
Expert technical support, available every weekday
Over 25 years design and racing experience
Engineered and constructed by an industry leader,
not newcomers
Three-year warranty on exhaust manifold
Hahn has also got pretty detailed testing done on their kit.
http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/Cavalier/Ecotec.htm
Hahn was also recommened by Chevy.
Personally I like to see proof that a kit can perform the way they say it can. Saying "you should expect a 80 hp gain on 8psi", just doesn't cut it for me. And Cavalier Connection and Cavalier Extreme just don't have ANY proof.
Ill be looking forward to talking to Hahn at SEMA again this year... Wonder if CC and CE will be a SEMA.....
If any of my information is wrong, I appologize and feel free to correct me. I can take it like an adult.
yes I do recommend Hahn to a lot of people. I like to see effort put forth and there's a lot of things I don't like about CE and CC just because of the way their setups are.
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I would have to agree with what he said about the CE kit about.... not test fitted and cheaper isnt always better. Im really curious to hear some feedback from the people that supposedly bought the CE kit.
As far is the CC kit... I don't know anybody that has one but the "Quick and Dirty" pictures on the website dont help out at all. Also i dont think that CC has any other stages besides Stage 1 (no intercooler or fuel upgrades) thats up on their website for $2450
My option of the best kit out for j-body's right now is Hahn Stage 2 for $3800 ($3500 on sale every now and then)
ya im not a fan of the routing for the piping on the CC kit but atleast they are testing and building there kits right.
Does hahn even make a kit for the 2.4 tho? if they do they would probably be your best bet...
I have a 2.4 so i cant go with hahn. Im probably gonna go with cavalier connections cause they have been around longer and ive had good experiences with them so far. I have the gm supercharger but im selling it cause i want a lil more power then what that can give me. plus im my opinion turbo is more efficient. but Im looking about 8 to 10 psi on the stock motor until i can afford a rebuild then im gonna turn up the boost thats why i wanted to get 440cc injectors. so Im gonna go with that plus a 255lph fuel pump and afpr along with the safc. thanks for everyones help so far
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I think our kits look great:
http://www.cavalierextreme.com/performance.html
I guess everyone is subject to their own opinion though. We put a lot of work into our kits, and I assure you, we have A LOT planned for the very near future. Within the next month or so we should have some installed pictures, dyno sheets, and a possible downpipe made. There's a lot we're working on. I suggest you stay tuned to the website
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there are a whole bunch of universal parts in those pictures, and no piping made to fit a jbody..
this is the only pic i have seen you post of one of the CE "kit" installed:
until i see something alot better than that i stand by my coment that it looks like crap
what about exploited racings turbo kit? any good feedback on them?
Leo Cadorette wrote:We do have an intercooler kit for the 2.2 OHV now:
mock-up version (rough piping) installed:
http://www.cavalierconnection.com/images/2.2_ic_2.jpg
finished kit as shipped:
http://www.cavalierconnection.com/images/2.2_ic_1.jpg
We have installed our updated 2.2L OHV and 2.4L DOHC kits on daily drivers we own:
2.2 kit installed (with mock-up IC kit):
http://www.cavalierconnection.com/images/2200_1.jpg
2.4 kit installed:
http://www.cavalierconnection.com/images/2.4L.jpg
Intercooler kit for the 2.4 has been developed, tested in mock-up mode and is with piping manufacturer for production run of piping.
Each of the two cars is undergoing significant amounts of testing/tuning in our shop:
http://www.cavalierconnection.com/images/shop2.jpg
http://www.cavalierconnection.com/images/shop3.jpg
We are testing various combinations of injector sizes, in-line versus in-tank fuel pumps, FMUs, wide-band devices and various electronic tuning aids. This is taking us longer than we'd hoped, but we're not going to recommend or sell something until we have significant knowledge, hands-on experience and confidence with it. We're holding off dyno time and costs until we get the cars dialed in pretty well - should be soon (we THINK we've hit upon a really good solution). Track results will follow final dyno tuning.
Leo
Thats some great work you guys are doing. I like to see things like that. Few fuzzy areas though:
• Stage 1 - $2450
• Stage 2 - $3445 (stage 1 + intercooler $995)
• Stage 3 - ? (Including Fuel upgrades)
Is this correct?
What about Stage 2 for Ecotec? Any test car for that kit? Um.. i think thats it.. if not ill post again
Derek Z24 wrote:there are a whole bunch of universal parts in those pictures, and no piping made to fit a jbody..
this is the only pic i have seen you post of one of the CE "kit" installed:
until i see something alot better than that i stand by my coment that it looks like crap
You should probably read the topics before you make false accusations. That was a custom turbo kit I installed on my PERSONAL cavalier before I had the business. That is NOT the kit we sell. That's even a rebuilt turbo, we sell brand new turbos. Research.
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Leo,
Have you guys had any luck with using intank fuel pumps without having to cut the cup that holds the pump?
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that sucks that you bought the s/c kit and in the end decided not to use it....
i'd buy it from ya, but i'm not so sure about spending so much money (thats taken me FOREVER to hoard up) on a kit from a seller, i'd rather just buy it from pace.....
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i like the piping of the cavalier extreme kit that is the one i am going with
S_Charged_Cavy wrote:I have a 2.4 so i cant go with hahn. Im probably gonna go with cavalier connections cause they have been around longer and ive had good experiences with them so far. I have the gm supercharger but im selling it cause i want a lil more power then what that can give me. plus im my opinion turbo is more efficient. but Im looking about 8 to 10 psi on the stock motor until i can afford a rebuild then im gonna turn up the boost thats why i wanted to get 440cc injectors. so Im gonna go with that plus a 255lph fuel pump and afpr along with the safc. thanks for everyones help so far
I think my kit has everything that you are looking for (other than a fuel pump), click the link under my sig.
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luke momodu wrote:what about exploited racings turbo kit? any good feedback on them?
Luke, our kits ran and performed excellent but unforunently we couldnt keep up with everything and it slowly got out of control so we stopped producing them for now until it can be organized A LOT better than before. I still have all the blueprints for the kits so who knows what ill do in the future, for right now we continue to not offer them until we are caught up.
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yea i saw that shifted. I would love to snatch that up from ya but im still waiting on a buyer for the supercharger. plus i still want to save up for other random things. I believe turbo can be reliable as long as theres been some tuning and such like the kits that cavalier connections is doing. Im thinking about just going custom and go with emanage. Im liking the idea with the emanage gold upgrade where u can set a certain air/fuel ratio and be done with it. still waiting and thinking. I thought about a rsm charger but i think turbo would be my best idea. this way later down the road i can change the amount of boost(ofcourse i would rebuild the motor first) and stuff like that. just kind of undecided yet on what i want to do tho
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Hey S_Charged_Cavy, why you got to copy my sig man???
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