What a difference an intake manifold makes.
VENOM = 344.8hp , 301.4tq
FETTER = 381.3hp , 331.2tq
Made an adapter plate so I could run the same 62mm throttlebody then retuned the ve's . Kept the timing the same and the boost the same.
Didn't have time to change to the 78mm FAST throttlebody or test the HO manifold vs. Fetter but will get around to it sometime soon.
95lb. injectors are about as far as I want to push them @ 94% duty cycle so it's time to make up my mind how far I want to push this car.
Remember to add about 20% to these numbers to equal a DynoJet number... 457ish
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"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"
Holy crap the difference...Im assuming the one with the higher numbers is the fetter manifold. Congrats
Btw did u ever ge those cams speced?
Edited for clarity
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Cams where .405 lift,not sure on duration yet...
"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"
did he buy those custom cams Z?
WOW gary... well it's a bitter sweet victory, sucks for me because i am using the venom
but its awesome because you proved that it doesn't do jack LOL now we can tell people to stay away! hahahaha
very nice.
*** edit now that i think about it, it just proves the fetter is a better manifold, still doesnt show us that it is better or worse than a stocker. the venom i mean...
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I must confess... I feel like a monster!
z yaaaa wrote:did he buy those custom cams Z?
WOW gary... well it's a bitter sweet victory, sucks for me because i am using the venom but its awesome because you proved that it doesn't do jack LOL now we can tell people to stay away! hahahaha
very nice.
*** edit now that i think about it, it just proves the fetter is a better manifold, still doesnt show us that it is better or worse than a stocker. the venom i mean...
I do not think that is all true. We would need to see the difference between stock and the Venom to say it does not do anything. It could be the same as stock, which means it just looks nice. I would go stock over the venom myself.
FU Tuning
Zyaaaa, yes he did.
Wow only .405 lift? I feel kinda bad, I measured them a couple times to make sure it was right. Guess the bargain basket dollar caliper i bought was in there for a reason. I appologise for that.
John Higgins wrote:z yaaaa wrote:did he buy those custom cams Z?
WOW gary... well it's a bitter sweet victory, sucks for me because i am using the venom but its awesome because you proved that it doesn't do jack LOL now we can tell people to stay away! hahahaha
very nice.
*** edit now that i think about it, it just proves the fetter is a better manifold, still doesnt show us that it is better or worse than a stocker. the venom i mean...
I do not think that is all true. We would need to see the difference between stock and the Venom to say it does not do anything. It could be the same as stock, which means it just looks nice. I would go stock over the venom myself.
LOL john you must have missed my edit. i agree. we need to see a difference between a stocker and a venom to be sure.
I must confess... I feel like a monster!
No pictures right now,it's the polished one that Brandon had on his car.
"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"
I'm a bit confused as to how you're nearly maxing out 95lb injectors at +-400hp. What's up with that?
Blew it up, build numbers coming soon
LD9Stunner wrote:I'm a bit confused as to how you're nearly maxing out 95lb injectors at +-400hp. What's up with that?
e85
R.I.P. Brian Klocke, you will never be forgotten
fetter's graph isn't working, whats the difference?
DroptopPaul wrote:fetter's graph isn't working, whats the difference?
Oh about a 36 hp and 30 ft-lbs gain...
Interesting that the torque curve is EXACTLY the same but pushed up and the HP curve has a slightly steeper slope.
On the venom note, even in a boosted condition, the only way you can see a difference this big would be if the venom/stock design is very restrictive. I'd really like to see the HO vs. venom vs. Fetter comparison....waiting for that one. I honestly dont have very high hopes for the HO....probly get smack in the middle of the two.
"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience!" -Anonymous
haha wow ....thats awesome
I remember being disappointed in the Venom design was identical to stock when it first came out.
I am curious how the HO intake will perform since I will be using an extrude honed one soon
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
157hp/171tq - NA
190hp/170tq @ 6psi
LG0/LD9 for Life
Awesome Gary! I think Brandon needs to protoype an LN2 intake now... HINT HINT
I got the perfect donor also!
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
ImPhat0260/Cavattack2000 wrote:Awesome Gary! I think Brandon needs to protoype an LN2 intake now... HINT HINT I got the perfect donor also!
Or maybe one to bolt to a 2.3 "086" head
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
157hp/171tq - NA
190hp/170tq @ 6psi
LG0/LD9 for Life
i hear the trick is actually getting him to make one in the first place!
I must confess... I feel like a monster!
psshh... i made j marks one really fast..... no one else really SERIOUSLY wanted to pay to have one made.
ryan a 2.2 is in the works a fl. boy wants one i need to get a 2.2 intake down and look at it.
jason its being done, i think a 086 head is finding its way into my engine bay....
R.I.P. Brian Klocke, you will never be forgotten
Boosted2point4 wrote:psshh... i made j marks one really fast..... no one else really SERIOUSLY wanted to pay to have one made.
ryan a 2.2 is in the works a fl. boy wants one i need to get a 2.2 intake down and look at it.
jason its being done, i think a 086 head is finding its way into my engine bay....
This man speaks the truth. You have to pay to play, and we paid for the honey moon, or the clutch haha
Seriously though, he came through in a week. We sent him all the parts, he made the mani, got everything powder coated, and had it sent back with in 3 weeks. He really is the @!#$ man!
Once he has the 086 mani done, we might have another car with a need for one...
Boosted2point4 wrote:psshh... i made j marks one really fast..... no one else really SERIOUSLY wanted to pay to have one made.
ryan a 2.2 is in the works a fl. boy wants one i need to get a 2.2 intake down and look at it.
jason its being done, i think a 086 head is finding its way into my engine bay....
I am flattered that you are trying to keep up with me even though I cheated to get there, LOL!!!
Now I need to work on the rest
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
157hp/171tq - NA
190hp/170tq @ 6psi
LG0/LD9 for Life
jmarks82 wrote:
Which setup was that? Didn't Brian have the HO intake cam and secret exhaust cam and a 3076r? for awhile then switched to the HO exhaust cam and a 35r .?.?.?
(the 437hp is in DynoJet mode isn't it?)
I'm still on just the secret cams...
Plenty of room to grow if I decide to.
"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"
Its always been a gt35. He had an LO intake cam, and HO exhaust cam.
The 437 is dynojet numbers, the gray 379 is dyno dynamics.
Those are some great looking numbers! The dyno jet yeilded about 15% more on our runs. So that puts you at right about 440 or so!
