I have a 2000 Z24 and am looking at buying a GM supercharger for it...I have been looking around and haven't seem to found anyone running a GM supercharger with an intercooler for this car...I am wondering if there is anyone out there that has the Z24 with a GM s/c and has an intercooler hooked up to it...I was looking at spearco intercoolers (just a small one) but am not quite sure if it can be used with the gm s/c...if anyone could let me know if this s/c can be intercooled that would be great, and if they have any suggestions for intercoolers that would be greatly appreciated too.
Well if you think you can intercool a s/c setup you probably shouldn't even consider putting a s/c on your car. You can only put intercoolers on turbo setups. S/C are belt driven and are bolted to your head. The forced are is forced right into the ports in the head. If you want a cooler look at alky injection or a heat exchanger. You should read the stickies and other post more though before you destroy your car not knowing what to do.
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Brandon Hetrick wrote:Well if you think you can intercool a s/c setup you probably shouldn't even consider putting a s/c on your car. You can only put intercoolers on turbo setups. S/C are belt driven and are bolted to your head. The forced are is forced right into the ports in the head. If you want a cooler look at alky injection or a heat exchanger. You should read the stickies and other post more though before you destroy your car not knowing what to do.
On the 03 and newer GM supercharger kits you can use a heat exchanger on them with is very simalr to an intercooler in reducing intake air temps. As for the 2000-2002 gm kit, it uses an m45 that does not have provisions to use a heat exchanger.
The best bet is alky. It can reduce temps beyond what a heat exchanger can and also help prevent detonation and knock. Just make sure you install the alky nozzle in a throttle body spacer so it is injected after the throttle position sensor. TPS sensors don't like to get wet.
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Well you could technically run an intercooler, but it would be more like a pre-cooler, and pretty much useless.
Well then if I'm an idiot because I think you can't intercool superchargers than u better get ahold of Chevrolet and tell them they are idiots because they are lying about the Cobalt SS Supercharged cause u can't do it...think again...the Cobalt is Intercooled (or something similar)....
Thanks Wade, I'll take a look around for alky...
Been looking around for the alcohol injection kits and having difficulty locating them...anyone know of a good place to get them from?
Brandon Hetrick wrote:Well if you think you can intercool a s/c setup you probably shouldn't even consider putting a s/c on your car. You can only put intercoolers on turbo setups. S/C are belt driven and are bolted to your head. The forced are is forced right into the ports in the head. If you want a cooler look at alky injection or a heat exchanger. You should read the stickies and other post more though before you destroy your car not knowing what to do.
instead of being a dick, how bout you explain to him that the m45 cannot be intercooled with the means of a typical heat exchanger or front mount intercooler. what about a centrifugal s/c, you can easily run a front mount on that as well and some dont bolt directly to the head for them to work.
Check out coolingmist.com There are several others I can't think of them at the moment.
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snow, enginerunup,devilsown are a couple others for methanol injection
I.. um... wow.
To the guy who said you can't intercool a S/C setup and only Turbocharged setups can be intercooled...
... put the car keys down.
And go take up ballet.
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Anyone know if a Tucan (ractive), or any other cold air intake will fit on the car with the supercharger...been trying to find pics of the placement of the inlet of the supercharger to see if it is in the same general area as a stock setup...from what I can see it is similar...piping may need to be modified a bit...let me know if anyone has some knowledge in this area.
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To the guy who said you can't intercool a S/C setup and only Turbocharged setups can be intercooled...
... put the car keys down.
And go take up ballet.
Well if you can intercool a s/c setup with out spending a ton of money, tell Matthew Jollymore how its done. I personally didnt think you could. I only know of heat exchangers.
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Brandon Hetrick wrote:Quote:
To the guy who said you can't intercool a S/C setup and only Turbocharged setups can be intercooled...
... put the car keys down.
And go take up ballet.
Well if you can intercool a s/c setup with out spending a ton of money, tell Matthew Jollymore how its done. I personally didnt think you could. I only know of heat exchangers.
You can intercool a s/c for almost the exact same price as you can intercool a t/c......as long as it's a centrifugal one.
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Ford 3.8L S/C in the Tbird supercoupe. Roots style and intercooled. It can be done.
However the M45 kit for the 2.4L can not. Alcohol would be your best bet. I ran an Alky control kit for a while but have since switched to turbo. Even with straight water i could remove 70* from the manifold air temp on a 80* day. With the alky (50/50 mix of denatured and -20* washer solvent) I could actualy pull the manifold temp below ambient temp on a 70* day (went from 190 down to 60).
I was looking at the coolmist alcohol injection and there are a few different kits...wondering what people have, whats good...also I was wondering how everyone has them hooked up (to kick in at a certian PSI/ WOT)...let me if anyone has some knowledge in this area
My alky control kit turned on at 3 PSI and would add alcohol as boost increased.
The kits usually come with a boost activated switch that kicks on at 3psi or whatever switch it is. The better kits comes with an adjustable controller so you can have it come on sooner or later the boost switches.
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I have been looking around and really like the coolmist stage II step because it comes with a digital progressive controller which allows you to have full control over the setup...as I was looking, I found they have 2 different packages for the stage II setup, the underhood kit and the trunk mount kit...wondering if one has noticable benefits over the other...I'm pretty new to the methenol injection world, so if anyone has some advice in this area that would be awsome.
I think the only difference is where the alky/water reservoir sits and the length of hose. Some people just tap into the stcok windsheild washer fluid tank.
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the fluid you would be spraying would stay a bit cooler with it being in the trunk as opposed to being in the engine bay and having the cooler fluid would help keep your iat's down a bit better
Wondering if you guys have had good reliablity with the s/c and injection and if you are using it on stock internals...I am probably gonna run one summer on stock internals (got the motor fully rebuilt 30,000kms ago so they should still be good for the stock charger) but when I upgrade to a smaller pulley and put methenol injection on it will I need to do a hardcore rebuild (only planning on going with 6-8 psi max)
Ok heres some information for you.
The m45 model supercharger from GM cannot be heat exchanged or intercooled. It CAN be injected with meth/alky injection which works wonders. We can't heat exchange or intercool it because it's a 1 piece design (charger and manifold are welded together) which forever reason gm made it like that and screwed us on the intercooling part i dont know.
Injection kits:
http://coolingmist.com
http://alcohol-injection.com
personally i have the plain jane cooling mist setup which was $300 and it works perfect for me, you don't need all those controllers and gadgets if you ask me, just keep an eye on the meth tank which isn't hard and set the boost switch to X psi and your set.
smaller pulleys (stock is 2.8")
http://pulleyboys.com
Now as for using the charger on the stock internals, the supercharger honestly isn't anything ridiculously serious when it comes to power but it is very efficient and pretty much maintenance free, I've been running the charger since 2005 with NO PROBLEMS supercharger wise.
2003 here.......
same ol Twin cam powering my car.
i really need to try the cams though (some 2.3 cams dont care what ones)...............
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
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