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Monday, August 14, 2006 12:06 AM
Composite “Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)” Thread

This is a thread made by me because of the numerous posts in the Boost forum
regarding people wanting to supercharge/intercool their 2.2L Ecotecs. I
thought I would make a thread to answer most questions about it.

First off, you want to boost your Ecotec. For whatever reason, you’ve
decided on a supercharger, like many of us have done. Myself included. You
have two options; there’s the RSM Racing supercharger. For more information,
search “RSM” in the Boost forum and enjoy reading.

The second and best option for the average car enthusiast is the General
Motors Performance Parts Supercharger Kit. This kit was designed to look
like OEM equipment and boost the otherwise stock L61 from ~140 horsepower to
~200 horsepower safely and efficiently. This setup comes intercooler ready,
more on that later.

Because this is a GM Performance Part, all GMPP dealerships sell this kit.
Of course they will try to rip you off. I was quoted around $3300 usd for
the kit from my local GMPP dealership. If you want to save money, buy your
kit from Pace Performance. Here is a direct link:
http://www.paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=167186

From this website, the total price shipping included is $2459.95.

If you have a 2002 Cavalier LS Sport, or a 2002 Sunfire GT, you also have
the 2.2L Ecotec Engine. Some Canadian 2002 Cavalier Z24’s have the Ecotec
and some have the LD9. It would be best to check before purchasing this kit.
Supercharging this engine is slightly more difficult. The 2002 Ecotecs came
with a slightly different fuel delivery system. To use the GMPP Supercharger
on a 2002 Ecotec, you will need to convert to a 2003+ fuel system. The
differences are the fuel rail, fuel injector spacers, the fuel pressure
regulator, and the hard lines. You could find all of these things on eBay,
or classifieds. But here is a kit form Pace Performance that includes all of
these modifications.
http://www.paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=184789
The price is a slightly higher $2695.95 because it comes will all the
necessary parts to do this conversion.

With these kits, it will be necessary to recalibrate your car’s ecu. The
easiest way to do this: take it to a dealership and have them reprogram
your computer with the GMPP Supercharger Reflash. You can drive it, but you
must be careful to stay out of boost or your car will run very lean. The
part number for the Reflash is 12593900. The GM dealership will have to call
their Tech Line to download the Reflash; their number is 1-800-828-6860 if
you need it. The calibration part numbers are 12590819 for an automatic
transmission and 12590820 for a manual transmission. If you have a manual
transmission and get the Reflash for an automatic transmission, your ecu
will show six or so codes. That is bad. The Reflash process should take
about 20 minutes. You will be charged for one hour of labor. In my case, it
took four hours; I was still charged for one hour of labor.

Like many others, I installed my supercharger myself. However, if you do not
feel capable of doing this yourself, you can pay a dealership to do it. They
charge a large sum of money an hour and it will take them quite a few hours
to do it. The install is an all day affair in many places.

Many people want to intercool their superchargers to lower the Incoming Air
Temperatures, iats for short. I have been told that this supercharger on a
non-intercooled motor will heat the temperatures to well over 200 degrees
Fahrenheit. This can cause detonation in the cylinders. I’m not saying
driving around non-intercooled will blow up your engine, but when combined
with higher boost levels, or other modifications, detonation is more potent.
The kit comes “intercooler ready”, but is not intercooled. This means the
intake manifold has intercooler cores within it. To take advantage of these
cores, you will need a heat exchanger, a water pump, a coolant reservoir,
and the cap to the reservoir. The heat exchanger and water pump I bought
from eBay. For the heat exchanger, type “NEW Liquid Heat Exchanger for
Intercooler Turbo N/R” into the eBay search bar. You will need something
like this. For the water pump, visit zzperformance.com
http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=425 Option 4 is
your best bet. I also bought my water pump off a Ford Lightning from eBay.
It did not come with a wire harness, but a fuel injector plug from a 1990
Corsica 3.1L will clip in without any issue. Some form of coolant will be
needed. I will be using Dexcool (antifreeze), which is recommended by both
GM and Ford for their applications.
The part numbers for the cap and reservoir are 15076936 and 22697069. You
will need to run radiator hoses to connect everything. To power your water
pump, you can use the thick pink wire under the steering column as a hot
wire. It will turn on when the key is in the accessory location. Ground it
anywhere.

Another way to get your iats down is by water/alcohol injection. Basically,
a cold mixture of water and alcohol is sprayed into the intake manifold
along with the hot air. I am not very knowledgeable about this, so I will
not say anything more about it. If you want to use this method, search
around this forum to learn more about it. It’s a necessity for the 2.4 L
Twin Cam guys because of a different intake manifold. We have more options.

Some unsorted information:
1. GM has rated the L61 rods to handle 250 horsepower, they can be pushed
above that, but it is not recommended.
2. The stock supercharger pulley is 3.34” in diameter and produces 10psi of
boost. There are smaller pullies available to increase boost. The 2.6”
pulley is as small as you can go on the supercharger injectors. This will
boost you to ~13psi, I believe.
3. After intercooling, your boost psi will drop, but you will still make
more power because of the colder air temperatures.
4. A full exhaust with a minimum of 2.25” exhaust piping will greatly help
your supercharger produce power.
5. A minimum of 91-octane fuel is required.

I think this covers nearly everything. Feel free to add to this. I am by no
means an expert on this, but if you need advice or help, feel free to pm me
or contact me via aim. I hope this has helped.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edited Monday, August 14, 2006 10:25 AM

harging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)” Thread

This is a thread made by me because of the numerous posts in the Boost forum regarding people wanting to supercharge/intercool their 2.2L Ecotecs. I thought I would make a thread to answer most questions about it.

First off, you want to boost your Ecotec. For whatever reason, you’ve decided on a supercharger, like many of us have done. Myself included. You have two options; there’s the RSM Racing supercharger. This is complete crap and will not be discussed in this thread. For more information, search “RSM” in the Boost forum and enjoy reading.

The second and best option for the average car enthusiast is the General Motors Performance Parts Supercharger Kit. This kit was designed to look like OEM equipment and boost the otherwise stock L61 from ~140 horsepower to ~200 horsepower safely and efficiently. This setup comes intercooler ready, more on that later.

Because this is a GM Performance Part, all GMPP dealerships sell this kit. Of course they will try to rip you off. I was quoted around $3300 usd for the kit from my local GMPP dealership. If you want to save money, buy your kit from Pace Performance. Here is a direct link: http://www.paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=167186

From this website, the total price shipping included is $2459.95.

If you have a 2002 Cavalier LS Sport, a 2002 Cavalier Z24, or a 2002 Sunfire GT, you also have the 2.2L Ecotec Engine. Supercharging this engine is slightly more difficult. The 2002 Ecotecs came with a slightly different fuel delivery system. To use the GMPP Supercharger on a 2002 Ecotec, you will need to convert to a 2003+ fuel system. The differences are the fuel rail, fuel injector spacers, the fuel pressure regulator, and the hard lines. You could find all of these things on eBay, or classifieds. But here is a kit form Pace Performance that includes all of these modifications. http://www.paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=184789
The price is a slightly higher $2695.95 because it comes will all the necessary parts to do this conversion.

With these kits, it will be necessary to recalibrate your car’s ecu. You can do this yourself by purchasing a $650 computer program, or you can take it to a dealership and have them reprogram your computer with the GMPP Supercharger Reflash. Should you choose to take your car to a dealership, you can drive it, but you must be careful to stay out of boost or your car will run very lean. The part number for the Reflash is 12593900. The GM dealership will have to call their Tech Line to download the Reflash; their number is 1-800-828-6860 if you need it. The calibration part numbers are 12590819 for an automatic transmission and 12590820 for a manual transmission. If you have a manual transmission and get the Reflash for an automatic transmission, your ecu will show six or so codes. That is bad. The Reflash process should take about 20 minutes. You will be charged for one hour of labor. In my case, it took four hours; I was still charged for one hour of labor.

Like many others, I installed my supercharger myself. However, if you do not feel capable of doing this yourself, you can pay a dealership to do it. They charge $75 an hour and it will take them quite a few hours to do it. The install is an all day affair in many places.

Many people want to intercool their superchargers to lower the Incoming Air Temperatures, iats for short. I have been told that this supercharger on a non-intercooled motor will heat the temperatures to well over 200 degrees Fahrenheit. This can cause detonation in the cylinders. I’m not saying driving around non-intercooled will blow up your engine, but when combined with higher boost levels, or other modifications, detonation is more potent. The kit comes “intercooler ready”, but is not intercooled. This means the intake manifold has intercooler cores within it. To take advantage of these cores, you will need a heat exchanger, a water pump, a coolant reservoir, and the cap to the reservoir. The heat exchanger and water pump I bought from eBay. For the heat exchanger, type “NEW Liquid Heat Exchanger for Intercooler Turbo N/R” into the eBay search bar. You will need something like this. For the water pump, visit zzperformance.com http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=425 Option 4 is your best bet. I also bought my water pump off a Ford Lightning from eBay. It did not come with a wire harness, but a fuel injector plug from a 1990 Corsica 3.1L will clip in without any issue. Some form of coolant will be needed. I will be using Dexcool (antifreeze), which is recommended by both GM and Ford for their applications.
The part numbers for the cap and reservoir are 15076936 and 22697069. You will need to run radiator hoses to connect everything. To power your water pump, you can use the thick pink wire under the steering column as a hot wire. It will turn on when the key is in the accessory location. Ground it anywhere.

Another way to get your iats down is by water/alcohol injection. Basically, a cold mixture of water and alcohol is sprayed into the intake manifold along with the hot air. I am not very knowledgeable about this, so I will not say anything more about it. If you want to use this method, search around this forum to learn more about it. It’s a necessity for the 2.4 L Twin Cam guys because of a different intake manifold. We have more options.

Some unsorted information:
1. GM has rated the L61 rods to handle 250 horsepower, they can be pushed above that, but it is not recommended.
2. The stock supercharger pulley is 3.34” in diameter and produces 10psi of boost. There are smaller pullies available to increase boost. The 2.6” pulley is as small as you can go on the supercharger injectors. This will boost you to ~13psi, I believe.
3. After intercooling, your boost psi will drop, but you will still make more power because of the colder air temperatures.
4. A full exhaust with a minimum of 2.25” exhaust piping will greatly help your supercharger produce power.
5. A minimum of 91-octane fuel is required.

I think this covers nearly everything. Feel free to add to this. I am by no means an expert on this, but if you need advice or help, feel free to pm me or contact me via aim. I hope this has helped.

Re: Composite “Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)” Thread
Monday, August 14, 2006 12:08 AM
sticky?



Re: Composite “Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)” Thread
Monday, August 14, 2006 1:54 AM
Admiral Jedi wrote:sticky?


I agree, make it sticky, sticky, sticky!!



Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)� Th
Monday, August 14, 2006 2:17 AM
Quote:

The 2.6� pulley is as small as you can go on the supercharger injectors. This will boost you to ~13psi, I believe.


the 3.0 pulley will get you 13psi, the 2.8 will get you 15ish

i seen both on airtonics car

good write up.



Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)� Th
Monday, August 14, 2006 3:19 AM
Many people want to intercool their superchargers to lower the Incoming Air Temperatures, iats for short. I have been told that this supercharger on a non-intercooled motor will heat the temperatures to well over 200 degrees Fahrenheit. This can cause detonation in the cylinders. I’m not saying driving around non-intercooled will blow up your engine, but when combined with higher boost levels, or other modifications, detonation is more potent.

Not entirely true as the ECO will pull timing and therefore eliminate the probelm with detonation.


With these kits, it will be necessary to recalibrate your car’s ecu. You can do this yourself by purchasing a $650 computer program

If you include this you need more, and since no one has successfully done this with the GM ECO kit I would remove it for now.

otherwise it covers the very basics.





Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)� Th
Monday, August 14, 2006 3:56 AM
Quote:

If you have a 2002 Cavalier LS Sport, a 2002 Cavalier Z24, or a 2002 Sunfire GT, you also have the 2.2L Ecotec Engine.


wrong.

2002 Z24 comes with the LD9

2002 was the only year 3 different engines were available for the Jbody

base model = 2200 OHV LN2
LS sport = Ecotec L61
Z24 = LD9

Quote:

there’s the RSM Racing supercharger. This is complete crap and will not be discussed in this thread. For more information, search “RSM” in the Boost forum and enjoy reading.


If you want this to be a sticky, bashing a product by a company that is sometimes active in posting here isn't wise. If you want to talk about the GM charger only, then say so in the title, and don't talk about the RSM kit.

I'm not defending RSM, but a sticky should stay neutral in its presentation or else it comes off as an extension of your personal preference.





Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)� Th
Monday, August 14, 2006 7:20 AM
DaFlyinSkwirl (PJ) wrote:
Quote:

If you have a 2002 Cavalier LS Sport, a 2002 Cavalier Z24, or a 2002 Sunfire GT, you also have the 2.2L Ecotec Engine.


wrong.

2002 Z24 comes with the LD9

2002 was the only year 3 different engines were available for the Jbody

base model = 2200 OHV LN2
LS sport = Ecotec L61
Z24 = LD9

Quote:

there’s the RSM Racing supercharger. This is complete crap and will not be discussed in this thread. For more information, search “RSM” in the Boost forum and enjoy reading.


If you want this to be a sticky, bashing a product by a company that is sometimes active in posting here isn't wise. If you want to talk about the GM charger only, then say so in the title, and don't talk about the RSM kit.

I'm not defending RSM, but a sticky should stay neutral in its presentation or else it comes off as an extension of your personal preference.


Actually in Canada we never got 'LS Sport' so half the 2002 model year we had 2.4L Z24's, and the other half was 2.2ECO Z24's. Just edit it to say 'If you have a 2002 model year car with an ECOTEC engine, you must do the following. Good write up though, I hate reading about this thing because it makes me want it even more hehehe.



" To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous. "
Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 9:14 AM
Cadwz24(Projected1) wrote:
Quote:

The 2.6� pulley is as small as you can go on the supercharger injectors. This will boost you to ~13psi, I believe.


the 3.0 pulley will get you 13psi, the 2.8 will get you 15ish

i seen both on airtonics car

good write up.


correct, with a 3.0 pulley your gonna want an AFPR to up the fuel pressure a bit to keep the car from running lean.






Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 9:32 AM
So I was wrong on a couple of things. Thanks for the corrections.

With the 2002 Z24 thing, I meant in Canada. I didn't realize there were 2002 Z24's in the US.

If a moderator can fix these mistakes, that would be great.



Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 10:01 AM
not all dealers charge 75.00 , some are alot higher







Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 10:03 AM
You sir, are too helpful. I think the corrections should be made and this put into a sticky up top. It's a shame that a large majority of members looking for info will ignore it and post up their questions anyhow...

But good work. *thumbsup*

-Chris-


-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...

Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 10:16 AM
stock pulley is 10 psi instantaneous and 12 psi at redline, unless my boost gauge is inaccurate. You also get more than 200 hp, it's closer to that to the wheels. Intercooled is about 215-220 whp as seen with airtonics' dyno numbers.

Minimum octane rating is 92 not 91.



15.574 @ 89 mph stock without charger. new times with charger coming soon.
Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 10:21 AM
When I said 200, I meant not intercooled.

Thanks for correcting the octane rating.



Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 12:38 PM
west coast is 91 , we dont have 92 any more and havent if several years







Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 12:40 PM
Admiral Jedi wrote:When I said 200, I meant not intercooled.

Thanks for correcting the octane rating.


As I said, without intercooling you're close to 200 at the wheels, not at the flywheel. I only say this because you say that you go from 140 to 200 hp when it's more like 125 whp to 200 whp...



15.574 @ 89 mph stock without charger. new times with charger coming soon.
Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 2:05 PM
The detonation thing is still wrong.

Detonation is the spontaneous combustion of the end-gas (remaining fuel/air mixture) in the chamber. It always occurs after normal combustion is initiated by the spark plug. (pulled from www.Streetrodstuff.com).

You are basically saying that you have to intercool the supercharger or it will do bad things to the engine with the OEM kit, which is kinda wrong. What would be better to say is that the IATs will be raised due to the increase in the pressure of the air relative to the action of the supercharger. By adding the intercooler to the system the IATS will be lower as the air is getting cooled prior to entering the combustion chamber. If you are looking at using a smaller pulley with the system, aftercooling the air is almost a requirement to insure engine longevity as well as proper increase in power with no untoward problems related to the changes.

The GM kit will run fine and for quitre some time making more power then stock non-intercooled, but will not be as good as an intercooled system.(I personally have 14K on my car non-intercooled).

I also have issue with intercooler as it truly is an after cooler but that is another discussion entirely.






Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 2:44 PM
Admiral Jedi wrote:I’m not saying driving around non-intercooled will blow up your engine, but when combined
with higher boost levels, or other modifications, detonation is more potent.


I thought this clarified what I was talking about. But if not, could a mod change it to make more sense? I appreciate the input Marchi1.



Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Monday, August 14, 2006 11:35 PM
Off topic but im curious why it would be called an aftercooler. If your making the statement that it cools after the TB and not before then I can see that being true. But in all honesty should it not be judged by saying it cools the compressed air right after the forced induction source? On a turbo the compressed air is cooled as is forced from the turbo to the TB, on a supercharger the compressed air is cooled and sent into the head. Basicly im saying the air is Compressed - Cooled - and entering the engine in that same order for both the turbo and supercharger. So why call it an aftercooler when it is in affect cooling at the same point in the cycle?








Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:06 AM
It is exactly that it is cooled after the compressing device (but techinically the turbo is a compressing device) but they occur at the end of the air intake chain, unlike an intercooler which occurs between the compressing device and the throttle body...

An intercooler is a device used on turbocharged and supercharged internal combustion engines to improve the volumetric efficiency, increase the amount of charge in the engine, and lower charge air temperature thereby increasing power and reliability. The inter in the name refers to its location compared to the compressors; the coolers were typically installed between multiple stages of supercharging in aircraft engines. Modern automobile designs are technically aftercoolers because they appear most often at the very end of the chain, but this name is no longer used.

Definition thanks to wikipedia.




Re: Composite �Supercharging 2.2L Ecotec (L61)ï¿
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:48 PM
good deal






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