has anyone tried using a liquid to air intercooler with their turbo? what are the advantages and disadvantages to it vs air to air. i am just curious because it seems to be cheaper and because not too many people do it. also, can you run cry02 or nitrous into it? thanks.

Ive been thinking about it for some time now. there about the same price. and there so much more efficiant.

there arent really many disadvantages, just that it can be more mantainence, and its a bit of a pain to install.

as for nitrous and co2. Im guessing your talking about a spray bar, if so then no. but you woulndt need it, the charge temps would be just as cool if not cooler.


"Kick azz is my boost hero!!! "

liquid to air intercooler is a ton more efficient.

but, it requires alot more parts, a heat exchanger, ect and for a daily driven setup, im going to have to say i wouldnt bother. a drag car, yes id def go liuid/air, every high hp drag car does.

essentially the liquid/air cooler could be over 100 percent efficient provided your running a nice ice ice tank

on a 80 degree day your front moutn cooler will be 80 degrees, that is the lowest temperature you could hope to reduce your charge air temps to. with a liquid/air, you could run a block of dry ice in your tank, or a bag of ice, and pass your charge air over a core that is maybe 40 degrees. it all equates to more hp.

but its more work, more parts, more money and not a very streetable setup

When using a liquid to air on a street car you essentially have a complex air to air unless you have dry ice which will only last a short time. I wouldn't bother.

Dry ice lasts a long time

question is...where you gonna get it for every night you go for a rip in your car

the main issue is the fact that even with a heat exchanger, you will heat soak the system rather quickly unless the chamber is packed with ice. definatly not for the novice setup.

I run a water to air on my supercharger and I love it, intake temp came down quite a bit. For the street I run a heat exchanger mounted in front of my rad but I think this coming thursday I am going to weld in some heater core connections through the firewall so that I can run a cooler inside the car (passengers side floor) at the track. I plan to use quick connects on everything so it's just a matter of switching around the hoses to go from track setup to street setup.



Quoth the Raven 'Nevermore
raven@accesswave.ca
Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132

On a roots system it is great because it can be incorporated into the intake manifold. Why do you want to clip off a 12 second pass if as soon as you pull away from the track your down to 13's or have to stop and fill up with ice all the time.

I don't do 12 second passes on the street, or 13 second passes for that matter. I drive my car like anyone else on the road, within the speed limits. At the track is where it counts so why not try to get the best time possible? If that requires running an ice box then why not?



Quoth the Raven 'Nevermore
raven@accesswave.ca
Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132

well how often do you have to fill it with ice and if you fill it with ice then do you still have to have the heat exchanger and when theirs no ice does it work im guessing no but...thanks

raven wrote:I don't do 12 second passes on the street, or 13 second passes for that matter. I drive my car like anyone else on the road, within the speed limits. At the track is where it counts so why not try to get the best time possible? If that requires running an ice box then why not?

I wasn't talking to you personally,but just in general. I can understand where your coming from since you have the Eaton. Why would someone spend a considerable more amount of money for a liquid to air with ice box when if his ice box isn't filled it ends up being a complex air to air using water as its median?

at that point its worse than a air to air, the water absorbs alot of heat, but it also disperses it very slowly.

thats why in a daily driven setup it is very prone to heatsoak, and not a very good idea.

Yeah for everyday driving the air to air would be much better and a lot easier to maintain for sure. I'm just looking at it from a pure performance stand point. Since I have no choice and have to run a water to air It's a lot easier for me and not very expensive to do (under $200 on top of the cost of the IC). The way I plan to do it is weld in some heater core connections through the firewall. Then I can just unhook my quick connect lines from my front mount and run them to the connections on the firewall. I will have a cooler on the passengers side floor that the lines will connect to inside the car. The cooler will have a heat exchanger in it packed in dry ice. I should be able to switch to the "ice box" within minutes of getting to the track. Also when running a water to air its a good idea to run 50% distilled water and 50% water wetter to improve the heat disapation.



Quoth the Raven 'Nevermore
raven@accesswave.ca
Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132

I am speaking in more of general car terms because i do not see too many "dedicated" drag J's. Water to air in the short run will be better because you can pull the temps down farther than ambient air with the dry ice for drag racing. In any type of distance race like road racing or daily driving the water to air will be a complex air to air.