ok right now i have the m45, it is way to limited. i am going to have a manifold fabricated for an m62. friday i am having the fabrication shop install my new exhaust, while there i am going to ask him to gauge price time ect...... now here is the deal for you people. if i do this i am prolly going to have him make a few of them based on mine. so please build a list of how many people are interested and we can get a group buy together....... this shop i know can make this kit.... i have seen tones of work of theirs it is amazing.... so anyone that wants to go to the next level with their supercharger please note it on here

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Many have started threads like this get yours done makesure it works/fits they you can maybee offer it. rember not many people are going to drop this money just like that or reply they want proof first.

The first one is going to be extremely costly. I am thinking at least a grand. It will take a machine shop allot of time and trial and error to get the pulley in the exact same spot so that you can fit the belt. Then on top of that, How the hell do you plan to brace the M62? The machine shop will make those too? It will cost way more than it is worth.
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i plann on bracing it exacly as the gm charger is braced, on the snout, and add a brace on the bell housing on the tranny. and wade it doens'/t take that much all u have to do is get the charger in a position that is close and play around with where the hub or pulley is pressed on. there is about a half inch or a quarter inch infrom of my hub on the m45. if it is done it will be tubular and depending on how much it will cost to get the intercooler to fit too it might be able to hold the cobalt intercooler.give me an idea of how many people will get in on this and that way i can get a quote for multiple copies of the original.

btw wade i have already spent 8k and i need atleast 20psi and i am adicted to the sound of a charger. 1k plus 300 for a charger on ebay, isn't that much more




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I don't think you'll be able to use the cobalt IC, as it's cast into the intake manifold, and to use one LIKE it would be very complicated, although very cool. A simple design would be a 2 peice that joins the SC to the head, and should incorporate a common plenum, with provisions for alcohol injection, or nitrous injection. I'd be very interested, but price would be a factor, and I'm going to need to see a working prototype before I'm putting any $$ on it.


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You are right about being able to move the pully from side to side. That is your only saving grace. I still do not think you need to lower compression or did you already? I can not remember.
I have spent almost that much on my car myself. I am not rich, I just work my way too much. The point is it has made me think more about what I spend money on. So when other try to warn me I listen. Not you I can tell you are stubborn as a mule. We all know the SC itself is not that expensive.
20 PSI or more Umm I do not know if you could even get that with an M90 with smaller pulleys.
You say you are going to do this, just as several before you have. So it should come as no surprise when we are all waiting to see you do it before we jump on a bandwagon going nowhere.


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Ian Brydon wrote:I don't think you'll be able to use the cobalt IC, as it's cast into the intake manifold, and to use one LIKE it would be very complicated, although very cool. A simple design would be a 2 peice that joins the SC to the head, and should incorporate a common plenum, with provisions for alcohol injection, or nitrous injection. I'd be very interested, but price would be a factor, and I'm going to need to see a working prototype before I'm putting any $$ on it.

Its not cast in, the cores are removeable I'm pretty sure, but they may be a press fit. When I saw the LSJ demo engines at the 04 bash, it basically looked like they were sandwiched in with o-rings and freeze plugs.

Mike, personally, for the money you're going to spend on this, go M90 if you're gonna stick with a supercharger. And a Gen 5 M90 at that. At least then, you'll have justified the low compression. Plus, there's more aftermarket for that charger anyway, and if you could get your hands on a water/air i/c for a gtp, the shop could build the manifold around that so that you can have an intercooler and still have hood clearance (well maybe, its not like I have an LD9 and an M90 laying around). Worth investigating before making the commitment to the M62... Or hell, get it made to fit a Whipple 1.6L charger instead




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TURBO your wasting your time and money on these stupidchargers.

ccfab wrote:TURBO your wasting your time and money on these stupidchargers.

i thought the waste of time and money would be on one of your manifolds that don't fit right?




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Scarab (Jersey Jay 1.8T) wrote:

ccfab wrote:TURBO your wasting your time and money on these stupidchargers.

i thought the waste of time and money would be on one of your manifolds that don't fit right?

and where would you find one of those?

the only manifold that apparently didnt fit "right:" was jkhks but only due to wastegate placement.

as far as every other mani ive ever made, fits like a glove.

I say do it if you can do it right. Should be pretty cool.

theres a difference between "cool" and functional/cost effective and the option that will produce the most power.

i say cut your losses, dump your m45 and use that cash to build a nice solid turbo setup

i am a superchraager fan. and btw 20psi on a m62 can be done. i have a friend that is running 22psi on an m62 on his cobalt ss.... i know that if u want to go past the 22psi u have to machine the snount to the pulley can fit over it.

this will be fun..... i will give u am update when i go to the shop friday for my exhaust...... i will not have them start on this until atleast two weeks. as i need to build up a new cash reserve =)




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ccfab I might not know as much as you. but I know when someone's being a flat out jerk. You really need to let people do whatever the hell they want to do. All you ever seem to do is preach turbo this and turbo that. same as that Jarvis Fellow.

Just be quiet and stop trolling okay. I might not have a 600 horsepower B series like you say you do, but you know what. I at least have the sense and decency to support people in their endeavours. So what if you think he's going to waste money, it's obvious he wants to try, so just give up, back up and let it be.

And another thing. Unlike your B series Motors, not everything is legal everywhere. The aftermarket for the B series is large enough to where many of their products are emissions tested and pass with flying colors, we don't have that luxury. I live in california for example. the closest thing to passing smog on a cavalier would be a charger, I've had a good friend of mine fined heavily because of said turbo. I know a lot of people that aren't allowed to drive their cars in general because of said emissions.

But that's another topic for another time. The fact is, you're just a jerk. I don't dislike you, don't get the wrong message from this. but Seriously man, you're acting like one of those kids that find one way to do something and because it's your way, that's the only way.

Sinrocker, I hope to see good things from you from this post. I know it's not very hopeful, the last post that dealt with this died and faded away in everyone's memory but there are people on the quad 4 forums that have mated the m90 charger. it can be done so I'll probably start my research there, and if I find anything interesting. I'll make sure to post it..... come to think of it... aren't you on the quad 4 forums??


Either way. I've said my peace...

Nari (Rod) wrote:ccfab I might not know as much as you. but I know when someone's being a flat out jerk. You really need to let people do whatever the hell they want to do. All you ever seem to do is preach turbo this and turbo that. same as that Jarvis Fellow.

Just be quiet and stop trolling okay. I might not have a 600 horsepower B series like you say you do, but you know what. I at least have the sense and decency to support people in their endeavours. So what if you think he's going to waste money, it's obvious he wants to try, so just give up, back up and let it be.

And another thing. Unlike your B series Motors, not everything is legal everywhere. The aftermarket for the B series is large enough to where many of their products are emissions tested and pass with flying colors, we don't have that luxury. I live in california for example. the closest thing to passing smog on a cavalier would be a charger, I've had a good friend of mine fined heavily because of said turbo. I know a lot of people that aren't allowed to drive their cars in general because of said emissions.

But that's another topic for another time. The fact is, you're just a jerk. I don't dislike you, don't get the wrong message from this. but Seriously man, you're acting like one of those kids that find one way to do something and because it's your way, that's the only way.

Sinrocker, I hope to see good things from you from this post. I know it's not very hopeful, the last post that dealt with this died and faded away in everyone's memory but there are people on the quad 4 forums that have mated the m90 charger. it can be done so I'll probably start my research there, and if I find anything interesting. I'll make sure to post it..... come to think of it... aren't you on the quad 4 forums??


Either way. I've said my peace...

longest rant ever

BTW if you wanted to get at ccfab just ask about the manifold he made for NJ's car. ask him how well that worked out


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haha now now. stay on topic..... I'll talk to him later.

besides. I have no room to say anything. I've never welded a manifold in my life.

I'm listening in on this thread. hopefully this goes somewhere.

wow, another thread shat upon by ccfab...




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I'll be waiting to see what the machine shop says, and what details were you planning on incorporating into the design? Any ballpark ideas on price, and how complete the "kit"/manifold woud be?


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where did i @!#$ on this thread. you guys are lame asses.

yeah ask me about njhks manifold, the wastegate placement was off, oh boy, it was the firs toen i ever made for that car. now they are spot on.

then you can ask him how nice i was when he came to my house at 2am the night before his dyno day and i worked on his car for free. not to mention the freebie rfl bov i gave him. so, on that note, you can swallow my kids.

It would be nice one day to read a JBO post with BS all through it................

Anyway Sinrocker,

What M62 do you plan on using.......the older one from the 3.8's or the one from the Eco SC kit???




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i do not know enoguh about the differances in the two superchargers.... is there a differance????

i am prolly going lean to the older 3800, i know the one in the cobalt has some computer stuff involved right?

anyway i was at the machin shop he said he would take pleasure in it. i told him i want him to make me between 4-6 of them.

basically we are going to cut the flang off the quad 4 ho intake manifold, then add some tubular piping, and i need to find a manifold that can be welded or otherwise attached to the m62

but i want to try n keep this cheaper for you guys.... so older m62 which are plentiful on ebay. i need to look into that the implications are to the throttle body......

to use the kits that will be built it will require a number of things that come with the gm supercharger kit for the 2.4 like the idler puley and cruise cable ect ect. well there is a number of little tasks but i am having the machine shop build me like 5 of them. we will start as soon as i get all the parts together..... he is thinking something along the lines of 400-500 each he said tho if i get some serious movment of manifolds he will lower the price to like 350 this price is not including supplies, the m62 and the quad 4 manifold

also the 2.4 head will require some serious port matching if you look at the quad 4 port it is a rounded square, the 2.4's are shaped like a pair of googles.






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Why not get some flanges made that match the 2.4 head? Seems like a better way to do things, and the cost of inputs can't be any more than 2.3HO manifolds, plus you start with something that fits, instead of a hacked up flange with ports and bolt holes that don't match.


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Any word on this, I'd hate to see it fade away like the last thread.


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