well tonight i finally got to install my coolingmist kit and its all hooked up and i decided to try windsheild washer fluid that is meth and water and -20 below and i honestly dont notice a single differance in how the car runs, i know the pumps working because i installed the tank and pump in the trunk and with the backseat down on WOT i can hear the pump pumping and see the line that goes into the pump move as soon as i floor the car. there are no leaks around the fittings or anything. some guy told me to put rubbing alky in my car that was 70% alk and 30% water but i dont think thats such a good idea haha, so what do you guys think?
lable says:
windowsheild washer fluid
methyl alcohol & water
protects to -20 below
doesnt specify the % of each so im guessing 50/50
what size injector do you have installed, what psi is it setup to come on at?
david from CM said its supposed to be a m5 but i have no idea of telling due to no markings on the injector, the kit comes stock with the m3 i know that much but i asked for the m5. about the psi its set at, i been fooling with the screw but cant seem to figure out how i know what psi its set at, lets say i turned the screw CCW so that the top of the screw is flush with the top of the switch, how far down should i go to set it at around 2-4psi? thanks
You may not notice a difference right away......but as you beat on the car and heat up the charger....thats when ull notice that it still pulls the same cause the alky is keepin it cool.
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well i just took the car out and im noticing its consistant on its pulls now so thats a plus but i kinda expected more for some reason. im also seeing 4 psi now and before i was seeing 6, theres no vac leaks or anything either
the drop in PSI is kinda funny, i know liquids are very hard to compress compared to gas, but wow i didnt think it would be that much. What size pulley do you have also? The stock pulley doesnt heat the charger up as much as a smaller pulley, go to a 2.6 without the alky and then the alky, you will notice a good difference.
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right now im using 2.6 pulley, i have a built motor so my head flows real good so im guessing thats also why im only seeing 6 psi on this pulley due to the port and polish. would running 100% meth give me alittle more power rather than 50/50?
you never want to run less than 50% water with anything you put through it the other half do what you want with but you need it to be 50% water, i run water methanol 50/50 and i dont notice much of a difference either
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-20 washer fluid is 30% , or right around there
i bet if its working right , after a couple pulls , get out and feel the s/c
then do the same with the alky off
i bet the alky off , you cant keep you hand on the s/c , and with it on youll be able to keep your hand on it
with my alky kit i can see about a 40 degree drop in intake temps , on average
i run a about 40 meth and 60 distilled water , im using the heat in the yellow bottle
Are you running any sort of gauges or instrumentation that tells you anything? Like EGT or air/fuel?? Butt-dynos aren't the most reliable
Rodimus Prime wrote:you never want to run less than 50% water with anything you put through it the other half do what you want with but you need it to be 50% water, i run water methanol 50/50 and i dont notice much of a difference either
There are some turbo Buick guys running 100% methanol & no water with their set ups, without any problems. I ran 100% methanol for over 1 year without any problems on my turbo 2200.
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methanol is a corrisive fuel , not the best to run at 100% through a sc with teflon coating
hook up a LED light to the boost switch and see when it comes on.
i used a boost leak tester my bro made for his dsm. just a coupler with a vavle stem on it. hook up the air compressor hose to it and watch the boost gauge/ listen when the boost switch clicks on.
rodimus - switch to a bigger injector and you will notice more. (we went through this b4).
i have the coolingmist stuff and love it. (m4 injector)
i shoulda also say that your not gonna feel much of a difference , like you would get from a hit of nitrous
biggest difference you should see is at the track
that is what jake and i are using
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i can get methanol straight from work so im using on a daily basis 50/50 methanol and distilled water
but when i go to the track i have run straight methanol and have seen a difference
when i dyno'd my car my af actually richened a little bit compared to when i was using alky and when i wasnt
for using HEET, i just bought 2 yellow bottles and was wondering how many bottles of HEET go in a 1 gallon jug to make a decent mix, just 1 then the rest with water?
make sure you use distilled water.
what i normally do is take a milk jug. (empty it of course and clean it).
dump one thing of HEET in there, then fill up the heet bottle with distilled water. keep doing that till you get how much you need.
i want to say i used 3 bottles of that heet stuff and the rest distilled water. or was it 4. i got mine in a 4 pack at menards (like home depot) for 3$ i think, wasnt over 4$.
will regular water work fine straight from my well, i dont have city water or anything, thanks
use distilled water , it doesnt have the garbage tap water has
the reason you dont see is a difference is this. with w/a you cna run more timing to get more power. since you are using the stock timing map the computer doesnt know to advacne timing with the w/a.
the only time you would feel a gain is if you are having knock, adn the w/a gets rid of it. then the computer wont be pulling timing and then you will see a gain. in a aftermarket computer system or say hp tuners you can get even more power by advancing timing to a point you wouldnt normally be able to with w/a.
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I used to have an M2 injector and I only have a 100psi pump, I bumped up to a m4, did a data log at the track with and without, the knock is almost identical along with the AFRs, like maybe .1 to .2 lower knock which doesnt mean a whole lot when your seeing several degrees knock, No improvement on AFRs. I doubt moving to an M5 is going to make much more difference, I have one I havent put it on yet. Im runing the snow performance 50/50 boost juice which is methanol and water, strongest combo that can legally be shipped.
I'm seriously wondering if its doing more harm than good even being on the car
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
If the computer is not pulling timing in the first place, then you won't see a huge gain in power.
From my understanding, 50/50 mix is perfect for regular use. What you will notice as the ambient temp increases, your performance won't drop off.
That's the main benefit of w/i with the stock pulley.
It also depends on where you have it located.
If its after the Air Intake Sensor, your not doing anything but using W/I for knock supression and will not see much of a gain if there's no knock in the first place. Its normal for the PCM to show a knock figure, but not retard the timing. You haven't reached the threshold of where the computer would start to pull timing.
If you want to see a timing increase from w/i install it before your Air Intake Sensor. The car will go into the cold start map at WOT and you'll see an increase in timing and more fuel being dumped into the system. Sometimes it works out well, sometimes it doesn't.
I'm installing it mainly to prevent the PCM from taking away timing and boost under a load (2nd-4th@WOT) as I saw this weekend at California Speedway with ambient temps at 95 and the track temp around 120.
At stock boost levels, the supercharger is running within the programed fuel and timing map. Its when you exceed the orginal boost target, that the car might pull timing in order to protect itself. That is when you would turn on the w/i, to prevent the PCM from doing that since you have added water for cooling and meth for increased octane and knock supression.
Your GM systems aren't any different than Jackson Racing kits I have seen on Hondas and Ford Focus over the years. Bolted on straight, it runs in a window of operation, even in hot weather to give the 5-6psi the included pulley gives you. Its when you bump it up to say 10-12psi and the internal temp of the supercharger rises, that you'll see benefit from w/i.
And yes pure meth does break down the teflon coating that most blower rotors have these days (Eatons), I would use a mix and not straight meth...
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