i am boosting my girlfriends 2002 ohv cavy.
im buying the parts seperate instead of all in one kit. what is the best turbo to use on this application..
any comments or questions welcome
thanks
Does your gf know anything about boosting a car? If she doesnt I dont suggest letting her drive a boosted car around.
a lot of guys are having good success with t3 super 60's. Even fewer are running t3/t4 hybrid's but with a smaller compressor trim, and seem to be spooling it alright.
I'm going to try the super 60 this year, if I dont like it, I may swap to a ball bearing
ScottyB - what the hell does that mean? It drives like a car... it has 4 wheels an accellerator and a steering wheel. It's not that difficult. You're actually indirectly insulting her assuming she's to stupid to know what a frequent oil change is.
And Larry - the best turbo to use is the kind that spins quickly. And goes woosh.
Seriously - read the faq. Search the forums. There is a post just like this on page 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.... and so on and so forth until the end of time. Lots of information available.
Why wait for wrong answers from people who don't know a torque plate to a throtle plate when the right answers have been posted in the past by people who know what the f' they're doing?
-Chris-
-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
I dont think I provided any false information, I just figured I would give him an answer of some sort, instead of being smart about it.
well if I was wrong, I'm sure you would have called me on it.
scotty b or whatever your name is....umm thanks i may be a girl but im not a freakin idiot. so instead of posting something so idiotic and sexist try posting something to do with the subject....i mean come on if i couldnt handle it or dont know what it is why the hell would i do it? so yeah thanks tho.
and chris, idk you but thanks for letting him know the deal.
haha.
Scotty B (Teh Black Penguin) wrote:I just asked if she knew anything about driving a boosted car, i didnt say she was stupid or had no idea... I just said that if she doesnt know anything about being under boost I wouldnt let them drive the car, what if they broke down somewhere and couldnt call help?
So take it anyway you want. Cheers. 
Scotty, I understand what you're saying but you're using the wrong word...
You mean "maintain" not "drive".
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that turbo on Ebay is a POS. Search before buying anything and learn how to build a turbo setup. Just by asking a question like you did(asking if that turbo was ok) and not knowing that it's too small, you don't have the knowledge to build a turbo setup.
You have 3 choice :
1- Buy that small ass T3 witch will give you boost but no power.
2- Buy a T3 super 60 and do like the rest and think you have a good setup
3- Buy a real turbo like a T3/T4 or a T3/T04E and boost your 2.2 and get a good amount of power with not much boost
So basicly it's like this:
Choice 1- Be a wannabe turbo. Hey I got boost but I don't have more power
Choice 2- Be like the rest. Hey I have a T3 super 6 like the rest but I don't know @!#$ about a real setup
Choice 3- Research everything you need to know and get a real turbo. You do everything a PROFESSIONNAL tell you. Not those(in general (not including you Adam)) guys on JBO that tell you what to do out of their **s. I mean a real turbo guy that does turbo setup for a living.
Most people here will say to use a T3 super 60 on every 4 cyl ofthe gm platform. You know what, a T3 super 60 is for either a sissy or a lawn mower.
they use T3/T04E on the 1.6L civic and they tell you to use a turbo much smaller. So do your research and learn from the pro, not from the every day guy on the JBO.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
this thread is not turning out the way i wanted it to . I am very knowledgeable on a turbo setup. Ive got some hours under my belt working on a turboed car ( im not saying im a pro by any means) Ive been reading about what you need and what problems you run into and what routes you can go. but the least knowledge i know is what exact turbo to go with. everything else im very aware of. thats why i am asking what turbo, because MFK-33, i wasn't aware that a t3/tO4E is the way to go but thanks for putting me in that direction.
is this the way for me to go? the only problem is where can i get a manifold with a external wastegate flange, all i am finding is non wastegate flanged manifolds.!!! blah
no more bashing on this thing please i just want some info. if i could id like to get all my info from Adam . he has the answers to everything
I dont think I was wrong in telling you what I did. No, I'm not a turbo-know-it-all, but I never said I was.
I stated what I was going to try, and said that if I dont like it, I'm going to upgrade for next year.
Hopefully you find the right answers from the people who know, I never told you to go with a super60, just that guys ARE running them.
I think what you have to decide is how much power you want to go with first, then set your sights on something best suited for that application.
sorry for causing any sort of confusion here.
larry carlisle wrote:if i could id like to get all my info from Adam . he has the answers to everything
I don't know everything by no means but I have a good understandment of what to look for as far as parts goes because I've been through it already. If you want to you can contact me privately (E-mail, AOL, PM...however you wish) and I'll help you as much as possible or atleast lead you in the right direction.
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No offense to Adam but he's had a hand in turboing one car... and he hasn't even seen the true results of his work yet. He might have some research under his belt but very little real-world experience and results.
Stevesfire... he's been working on getting his turbo setup going for almost 2 years now, and I think he's close. He's the same deal as Adam *as far as I know*.... once again a ton of research but very little real-world experience with real results. I could be wrong so correct me Steve.
MFK is probably the most experienced guy posting in this thread so far as far as other posters. I also know he crunches the #'s when he picks a turbo....
The problem is that somebody along the way said "T3 Super 60's RULE"... and yes the compressor map SHOWS that it in fact is almost mathematically perfect for the motor... depending where you want your power to come, where your redline is, etc...
The problem with the T3 Super 60 for me is it doesn't KEEP making power the way I would want it to (personal preference)... which is why I sized my turbo as I did. I wanted boost a bit later on in the curve, but I wanted it to keep going past redline.... why? Because now I'm raising my redline 1500 rpm... had I gotten a super60 it would have died out over 2000 rpm before my redline which would have been useless to me.
Again - REAL WORLD experience. I've had a hand in building a few turbo kits... I'm helping a bit with a custom M90 kit on a LD9... and I've slowly but surely guided Lee through all the f-ups that were made through his newbage and the bad guidance of RSM. Convincing him Fuel = Math took a lot but when I crunched the #'s and he turned his FMU to the setting I told him - boom. Magically the car ran better than it ever has. Simple math.
With that all said... nobody here knows a lot of the factors behind your needs. You haven't told us your Horsepower goals, you havent told us where in the RPM band you want it to hit... you haven't told us if you would prefer a really low spool or a mid range boost threshold.... you haven't told us the CFM you're flowing or the VE of the motor... you haven't even told us what kind of manifold you will be running because that DOES affect it.
With none of those questions answered you will NEVER get the proper answer to find out what's best for YOUR application. Until then it's just a bunch of lemmings posting up #'s and turbo's that they've HEARD runs great or that their best friends uncles dogs gopher runs on his 1.6 Civic. "Hey if a 1.6 can run it...." Total BS.
Keep researching, it's your best friend at this point.
-Chris-
-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
SunfighterGT wrote:No offense to Adam but he's had a hand in turboing one car... and he hasn't even seen the true results of his work yet. He might have some research under his belt but very little real-world experience and results.
I TAKE OFFENSE!!!!!!!!1111111111ONE11!!!!
lol
Yeah but you're right but hopefully that will all change. The more I do and the more I experience first hand, the better I can help people in the future. We all learn somehow...SunfighterGT is one my guidance counselors so I'm getting there
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SunfighterGT wrote:
With that all said... nobody here knows a lot of the factors behind your needs. You haven't told us your Horsepower goals, you havent told us where in the RPM band you want it to hit... you haven't told us if you would prefer a really low spool or a mid range boost threshold.... you haven't told us the CFM you're flowing or the VE of the motor... you haven't even told us what kind of manifold you will be running because that DOES affect it.
With none of those questions answered you will NEVER get the proper answer to find out what's best for YOUR application. Until then it's just a bunch of lemmings posting up #'s and turbo's that they've HEARD runs great or that their best friends uncles dogs gopher runs on his 1.6 Civic. "Hey if a 1.6 can run it...." Total BS.
Keep researching, it's your best friend at this point.
-Chris-
i am aiming for 180-200 Hp nothing crazy, i want the spool to be mid range rpm around 3500 and i want it to be external wastegated so i don't know where i can find a manifold with a wastegate flange , all i can find is non flanged manifolds. I want to go with this turbo the t3/t4 tO4E
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anything else i left out that would help?
first hand turbo experience on 2.2's? I have none. Crunching numbers and reading compressor maps? Again no experience.
What I know is what I've researched, but never delved into ACTUAL number crunching to figure out what might be the best bang for my buck. I'll admit that.
What started out as a small project by buying someone elses setup, has turned into something waay deeper then I had ever thought I'd go. Along the way I've been buying upgrades and trying to make it into something respectable.
I know for a fact that my super60 is going to run out of breath before I'm satisfied with the power I'm making. Thus requiring an upgrade.
for now its going to have to be my choice over what I have now vs. what I'd like to run.
dont think that I've stopped upgrading at my little super60, this is to get me off the ground this year, and thats it.
and as you stated Chris, he hasn't given us any information as to how much power he's looking at making, and where in terms he'd like to make that actual power.
I did state both super60's and t3/t4's would work, its just that one is indefinately superior over the other.
d'oh I wrote out that long novel and then you stated what sort of power you want to make.
If you can, explain to me why a super60 wouldnt be a good choice for 180-200 hp on a stock (I'm assuming) 2.2? You'd be limited in the end to the amount of power you'd make in higher boost ranges, but 180-200hp is certainly in the lower boost pressure range, even with a super60. It would not be running out of air.
(of course this is solely my opinion)
im going to go with the TO4E turbo but now i need to find a manifold with a external wastegate flange on it, Ive searched many sites and eBay and all i can find is non-wastegate flanged manifolds can anyone help me with this, these were just the two questions i had, i provided what i want for horsepower wise i really want 200 and higher screw the 180.
PM me and I can get you a guys email address who can do a wastegated manifold for a good price.
if it's a T04E, you will probably won't even spool it before 4500-5000rpm.
The T3 super 60 would be good for 180-200hp(witch is around 6-7 psi) but you have to change the turbo when you'll want to go higher. you're better spending once and be set.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
Mfk-223 wrote:if it's a T04E, you will probably won't even spool it before 4500-5000rpm.
The T3 super 60 would be good for 180-200hp(witch is around 6-7 psi) but you have to change the turbo when you'll want to go higher. you're better spending once and be set.
well what turbo do i want then the super 60? i want full spool by 4000 or 3500 rpm , should i go with the super 60 until i want more power i mean i think she will be fine with making around the 200 plus hp range until we want to upgrade the whole system.
im finding brand new super 60's on the net for $589 from turbo store.com
i really don't want the super 60 is there a turbo that is in between the super 60 and the TO4E?
A T3 super 60 IS good for 180-200hp but I wouldn't use it.
That T3/T04E is good for what you want. It will give you a chance to gt more boost and get some good number for the same psi as a Super 60.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
