Well ive been around the site for awhile, and i know how everyone is about searching and all. So ive been reading some posts and what not. But i want to turbo my car. Now i have a 97 so i was thinking about going with the 00+pcm so i could use the GM charger relash. If i go that route what fuel mods do i need for that. I know i would need the injectors that come with the kit, would i need an FMU or anything else like that?
As for a turbo, im guessing i would go with some type of t3/t4. But im not sure on A/R and all that (not to good at reading compresser maps), i would be running a basicly stock motor and most likly no more then 8psi since i would be running a stock bottom end (i figure i can go with the stock motor for now, then built up something else on the side)
Thanks in advance, and go easy on me since im still a noob on turbo stuff.
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Hmm Well first off i know nothing about the reflash, sorry someone else will have to cover that. As for injectors, yeah...you'll probably want them to run 8-10 PSI. I say 10 because with a good tune and proper fuel mods that seems to be the safe mark for the bottom end, but 8 would deffinelty be safer. If thats all your planning, you'll only need slightly larger, if that. As told to me by Leo at Jtuners, their 310 or 320cc injectors seemed to be good to right around 10 psi. Couple that with an FMU or AFPR. You'll need something to add more fuel in while under boost, you could also run a 5th injector set up, i hear their rather easy. As for the turbo, well a lot of people will probably agree that the T3 super 60 will be just right for you, since your planning on staying small. They have a good power band, and will still be good if you choose to bump the boost up a bit. Be sure to get an intercooler too. Hope that helps, yeah a lot of people dont like answering the same questions over and over, but once in a while everyone will be extremely helpful. Best advice is read read read, know what your getting into.
just turbo it at around 6 psi and you should be at around 220 to 230 if you do it good.
aren't your injectors side feed since you have a 97 ? if so I think what you should do is do a top feed conversion in order to put bigger injectors..... that's just what I read from posts on here.
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^^His sig says quad4 forums. Sidefeeds are only in the ohv motor. Hes topfeed just low imped. So basically if he changed to a 2000 pcm, he could run the reflash mainly for injectors, which would be high imped. I dont know if it could be a possible plug and play with just switching the injectors. because i dont know whats all changed in the sensors between 97 and 00, .... Maybe nothing, DOHC guys?
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Yea, i have the twin cam. Basicly i wanted to go with the PCM swap to take advantage of the reflash that you can get for the GM supercharger. I know the knock sensor is different so i would have to change that, and the injectors. Dont know what else thought.
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I have my 1997 2.4 Turboed @5 lbs I'm happy with that should be bout 200whp or so makes quite a difference get injectors & E~Manage or some engine management systam first though if YOu can replace internals & upgrade to SS Headgasket but if you can't do not go above 7lbs max Go with Turbonetics T3/T4 or Garrett same thing just Turbonetics is slightly better by some standards & for Fuel mods do a Venom Fuel rail with bigger injectors like I said & FMU /Engine management unit whatever you like there.
urweak...... here is my thoughts....... do a 99pcm flash. Hit me up on AIM or email me, and I'll fill you in on the rest.
as for injectors...... depending on how much boost, go with 39-42lbs..... you can lean them out with a AFPR, and use a FMU for now...... untill the HP software is released.
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I heard people are having trouble running the emange on the pre 00 computers. Someone else told me i would be good with injectors, FMU, and an safc.
And are all super 60s the same? Im guessing they all have different A/R ratios, what would be good for a stock twin cam?
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urweak wrote:I heard people are having trouble running the emange on the pre 00 computers. Someone else told me i would be good with injectors, FMU, and an safc.
And are all super 60s the same? Im guessing they all have different A/R ratios, what would be good for a stock twin cam?
I've known people to run Super 60s to T3/T4s on a stock 2.4...I guess it comes down to preference and where you want your powerstrength to be at.
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NJHK (The Turbo Negro) wrote:urweak wrote:I heard people are having trouble running the emange on the pre 00 computers. Someone else told me i would be good with injectors, FMU, and an safc.
And are all super 60s the same? Im guessing they all have different A/R ratios, what would be good for a stock twin cam?
I've known people to run Super 60s to T3/T4s on a stock 2.4...I guess it comes down to preference and where you want your powerstrength to be at.
Yea, thats what im trying to find out. Is there a direct answer to my question, or a post someone could point me towards i could read to help me decide.
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urweak wrote:NJHK (The Turbo Negro) wrote:urweak wrote:I heard people are having trouble running the emange on the pre 00 computers. Someone else told me i would be good with injectors, FMU, and an safc.
And are all super 60s the same? Im guessing they all have different A/R ratios, what would be good for a stock twin cam?
I've known people to run Super 60s to T3/T4s on a stock 2.4...I guess it comes down to preference and where you want your powerstrength to be at.
Yea, thats what im trying to find out. Is there a direct answer to my question, or a post someone could point me towards i could read to help me decide.
There really is no direct answer because it really is all about preference. Plus, you have so many different types and styles of turbos to choose from that it makes it even harder to choose from but gives you a wider option of you making a decision on a turbo to go for. Best thing you can do is ask people who have turbos on their Jbodies and see what trim they have and how it responds.
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What if you're looking for power from 3000 rpm and up would a 60-1 q trim work or is that too big for a built (Wiesco forged pistons & Eagle 4340 H-rods) 2.4 with a ported 086 head and HO intake? What about a T3/T04E 60 trim?
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Dale Young wrote:What if you're looking for power from 3000 rpm and up would a 60-1 q trim work or is that too big for a built (Wiesco forged pistons & Eagle 4340 H-rods) 2.4 with a ported 086 head and HO intake? What about a T3/T04E 60 trim?
That's really a hard question to answer for you seeing that you're doing motor work (mainly the cylinder head change and port job). I think it would be in more of your interest to look at the CFM on a turbo rather than the actual size of the turbo...bigger isn't always better.
Also, I see that you wanted to get Wiseco Pistons and do the head swap...you do know that the 086 Head swap will make your compression jump up to about 11:1 (assuming you stay at stock compression), so it would more than likely be going in the opposite direction of what you wanted compression wise.
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NJHK I'm planning to contact Wiesco and get a set of custom pistons which would normally give 8.5:1 or 9:1 with an LD9 head so that I'll end up around 10:1 - 10.5:1 with the 086 head. Add an extrude honed turbo, HO intake, the biggest front mount IC I can fit along with Snow Performance water/methanol injection and 10 -18 psi of boost and hp tuners or emanage exterme engine management and I'm hoping for 450 -550 whp.
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Dale Young wrote:NJHK I'm planning to contact Wiesco and get a set of custom pistons which would normally give 8.5:1 or 9:1 with an LD9 head so that I'll end up around 10:1 - 10.5:1 with the 086 head. Add an extrude honed turbo, HO intake, the biggest front mount IC I can fit along with Snow Performance water/methanol injection and 10 -18 psi of boost and hp tuners or emanage exterme engine management and I'm hoping for 450 -550 whp.
Sounds like a plan but if you're looking for 450+ whp...
1. You'll need a MUCH better fuel management system than an Greddy E-manage...this type of power you'll need a standalone.
2. You better have some great tires or you won't catch any traction.
3. I don't think you'll be running pump fuel
4. You'll need to upgrade your transmission parts
5. You'll need an LSD more than likely
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Cool what's the max hp you can safely run with hp tuners or e-manage extreme?
I already have the Team Green LSD and I'm going to get the Driveshaft Shop axles and hubs.
Pump fuel won't be a problem with boost control and water/meth injection as well as intercooling.
What trans parts would fail at this hp/tq level and who makes stronger replacements?
Thanks for all of the info it's very helpful.
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Dale Young wrote:Cool what's the max hp you can safely run with hp tuners or e-manage extreme?
I already have the Team Green LSD and I'm going to get the Driveshaft Shop axles and hubs.
Pump fuel won't be a problem with boost control and water/meth injection as well as intercooling.
What trans parts would fail at this hp/tq level and who makes stronger replacements?
Thanks for all of the info it's very helpful.
I really wouldn't be able to give you a certain hp/tq # but I wouldn't trust that much powers tuning on just piggy back units. The HP Tuners device would be useful though.
As far as trans parts, I meant a clutch that can handle that much power and possibly transmission internals but I personally don't know anyone who has reached 400+ whp on a Getrag so I can't tell you what should or might be replaced.
As far as pump gas goes, you're going to be running about 10:1 compression with the 086 cylinder head and low compression pistons, you're not going to reach 400 whp on a reasonably low amount of PSI like 5-10 PSI...you're going to be doing much higher than that. You might be able to run it with say 93 octane pump gas but I wouldn't doubt it would detonate when peaking boost.
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Thanks for jacking my thread............
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urweak wrote:Thanks for jacking my thread............
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