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Not to slam anyone here, but the two people on this forum I trust most are sndsgood and wsywig (or however it goes). I've heard all this about no rear speakers, or 6.5's, or whatever else, and I need an opinion. I'm very much interested in sound quality over sound pressure, but I do like to be able to pull out some high volume when I'm in the mood. I'm definitely gonna put 6.5 coax's up front, and I'm gonna have a 12" MTX thunder 8512-44 firing into my cab from the back seat (similar to the setup in your sig, sndsgood) This means that my trunk won't be subjected to as much pressure. My question, I'm pretty much sure I do want to run rear speakers, but if I do, should I run 6x9's or 6.5's? also, should I cut a port into the steel of my rear deck to allow the bass in there to come out?
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cut a port in the rear deck??? isnt there lots of holes alrready iin the rear deck?
honestly....if your front stage is good enough, and loud enough. you won't hear the rear speakers at all.
If you have some by nines...or something, try it with and without them...go for a week with em hooked up...then go for a week with your fader to the front, see what you like better.
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Right now I'm stock. The question is whether or not to order one set of 6.5's, two sets, or a set of 6.5's and a set of 6x9's.
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I had a set of 6x9's in when I first put in my 15. After I put in my components, I decided to see if I'd like the sound with or without the rear fill. Once I had gotten em out, I noticed all these stress marks where my sub had "pressurized" the 6x9's. I took em out and haven't looked back, I haven't noticed a difference. I doubt you will be able to hear them over your sub(s).
when my setup in my new car was all stock...i upgraded the by nines. sounded a LOT better of course since there were now some actuall bass being produced.
But after i added the sub, and fronts, they just aren't loud enough to be heard anymore. (my sub never affected them though...dunno about all that)
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part of the reason I kept my rears, is because depending on who may be riding, I sometimes have to turn the sub down a lot. And then, I DEF know the rears are there. But that's just me.
^hey wysiwyg, if you are really 94 years old like your profile suggests, I give you much props on being involved with the car community and sharing your knowledge of car audio. When I'm 94, I hope I'm as cool as you. <---That's not a slam, I'm dead serious.
FuGiTiVe wrote:^hey wysiwyg, if you are really 94 years old like your profile suggests, I give you much props on being involved with the car community and sharing your knowledge of car audio. When I'm 94, I hope I'm as cool as you.
I assure you...work hard enough, and it's very possible to reach my level of coolness.
things aren't like they used to be back in my day....i'll tell ya!!
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Why would you push your sub so hard that u cant hear the 6x9's?? I have a 4 door cavy, with pioneer 4-way 6x9's in the back, and when i hit 137.8 db at the contest today i could still hear my 6x9's clearly. Also havent noticed any the sound pressure messing with them since i usually run it hard with the back seat down.
im running a pair of mb quart 5.25 seps and mb quart 6x9 in the rear and it sounds fine i comp in spl and sq and do verry well if you have good quality equiptment you will have no probs
My Pioneer HU sends out 50x4Watts, and I have 3-way 6.5s in the front and 3-way 6x9s in the back, I set the fade so it was all in the front because everyone is saying it sounds so much more realistic, but it sounded like @!#$.
Is this more of an amplifier issue, or a sub issue?
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138db isn't all that loud these days... may I ask what you have for a subwoofer(s)?
i have apine type r 6x9 in the back and they distort so much when i got the sub turned up..but i bouhgt a another set of alpine 6.5 components type rs for the back and ill close the area off so it wont affect them.....anyone think thats a good idea??phil
if all the speakers are running off the headunit...i'm sure it will sound crappy because the front stage just isn't strong enough.
Amp the front speakers...that will make the difference.
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Oh god no..they are running off a concept cc-754 which is about 75w rmsx4..phil
Philly D wrote:Oh god no..they are running off a concept cc-754 which is about 75w rmsx4..phil
i wasn't referring to you..but to the topic at hand.
as for your distortion problem...turn the gain down a bit. i really DOUBT it is the subs' causing your other speakers to distort...more likely the gain on your speakers amp is set to high..or you just plain turn it up to loud.
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Bloodspiller wrote:Not to slam anyone here, but the two people on this forum I trust most are sndsgood and wsywig (or however it goes). I've heard all this about no rear speakers, or 6.5's, or whatever else, and I need an opinion. I'm very much interested in sound quality over sound pressure, but I do like to be able to pull out some high volume when I'm in the mood. I'm definitely gonna put 6.5 coax's up front, and I'm gonna have a 12" MTX thunder 8512-44 firing into my cab from the back seat (similar to the setup in your sig, sndsgood) This means that my trunk won't be subjected to as much pressure. My question, I'm pretty much sure I do want to run rear speakers, but if I do, should I run 6x9's or 6.5's? also, should I cut a port into the steel of my rear deck to allow the bass in there to come out?
okay first off, i'd really suggest you skipping the 6.5 coaxials and getting a good componet set. for the price of two half way decent coaxials, you should be able to get a good mid-level set of componets, (im guessing at your budget here.) think of it this way. 95% of your sound from music is going to come from your highs (wich why i always find it ironic that people spend 90% of their time trying to find a new sub and just throw what ever highs they can grab up front) to me the componet set up front is the most important item for a quality sounding system. id spend the most of my money on the componet set. its where all your music is coming from. now if you do have allow of back seat passengers, i would suggest some speakers in back from them. but i always found when i had people in the car, the radio would be on low because we'd be bullcrappin the whole time. but then again i was never one to cruise the malls blasting the music. if u really want rear speakers what i would suggest is just keep the stock speakers and run them off the headunits power. most people dont even realise that if u get some small caps )inline crossovers for yoru rear speakers, and cut out the bass to them. they wont sound half bad,realistically speaking they are just for the rear seat passengers and maybe i'm stingy but i work hard for my money and i want to spend it for my own enjoyment. not for my goon buddies who are in the back seat. now allot of people miss the concept of a powerful front stage, like bradsk88, hes running all his power off the headunit wich we all know is around 20 watts a speaker, so he fades out the rear and it sounds like junk. why? because he just cut his power in half. now if he were to feed the front speakers with 80 watts of clean actual power, then he'd have the power up front and the rears wouldn't be noticable wether he had them off the headunit or not. theres a big diffrence here. i wouldnt suggest ditching the rear speakers to anyone who is running off headunit power, because if your running off headunit power you can use all the power u can get.
as for the sub issue, if u wish to run the setup im running, make sure you seal up all the holes. the rear deck is littered with holes allready, and theres no need to make more holes sence you sub is going to be right up against the back seat like mine, so the bass isnt anywhere near the rear deck, its infront of it. pull off the rear deck and pull off the plastic side panels by the side rear windows. no look at all the holes and fill them up. i just took some 1/4" mdf cut them to fit just bigger then the hole and screwed them down and then used caulking to seal around the hole. youlle get allot more bass sealing it up versus just leaving it bare.
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sndsgood and wsiwyg, you guys are great. love reading your posts.
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Well, I do have people in the back quite a bit. I'm the wheel man of the crew. What do you think of 6.5 coax in the rear, seal the deck, and 6.5 coax/components up front? Sadly enough, I know components are better, but I've been so busy lately that I don't know if I have time to find a place to mount tweets and get them in. I still may do it, but It'll be a while before I do, if its components.
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i don't see why you would need to seal the deck...if you want rear fill..then just throw a set of 6x9's back there and call it a day!!!
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On my components I put the crossover in the map pocket and flush mounted the tweeter about 1 1/2 inches above the speaker grill on the door and angled them upwards, towards the head rests. Took about 2 minutes to cut the holes (hole saw drill bit tool) and maybe 15 minutes to run all the wire etc. The longest part was making the adapter out of wood, since I tried 1/2 inch thick first then added a 1/4 inch on top of that.
It wouldn't have taken half as long as it did if we weren't drinking and I had to keep convincing my friend that we didn't need to take the grinder to my doors.
if he doesnt seal the rear deck the bass will get into the trunk losing some of his bass output. 6.5's will be fine. but u could get by with a 5.25 it will be cheaper, if i ever did run rear fill i'd just run a 4" mid myself.
as for the componet set. mounting a componet set in a basic install should only take you about an hours more time to do. its not going to be real time consuming.
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I'm talking about finding a good place for the tweets, and BSing with my friends like we always do when we work on cars. If I can get some with swivel mounts, I may just do them in the doors, so I can aim them.
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