So, I haven't go to it yet, but it is coming up...need some sound deadening..I was wondering a few things from you guys....I am going to be doing the roof, floor, inside the quarters, inside and on the doors behind the door panels, whole trunk including trunk lid, pretty much all I can do to keep it from raddling like a mofo lol, but my questions are
How much will it take? (50SQ FT? 75?)
What brand do you guys use?
What do you clean the stuff with before you put the dampener down?
All help is appreciated! Thanks!
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i used around 300 sq ft. but i did about 2-3 layers on everything. i like a quiet car. you can probalby do a decent job with half that amount. maybe less. for cleaning i just used a rag to get dirt and debree off. any decent brand will stick pretty good so as long as your metal isn't really dirty or anything you shouldnt have to much problems with them.
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What will doing the trunk help if youre walling the car sir?
TheSundownFire (GME Chat) wrote:What will doing the trunk help if youre walling the car sir?
MY FIRST THOUGHT AS WELL! LOL
you dont need to cover EVERYTHING either. strategical placements of dampener will suffice. now like a sound barrier
(im hoping this is the correct term) on the other hand should cover everything. go to
http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi thats a good site for dampening information.
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I figured it might help from the compressors for the air ride, they raddle crap like crazy lol, but not as bad as subs I guess. So, with a wall do I need it anywhere from the cones back, or? I figured it would still make crap raddle in the trunk too...hmm...
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It wont hurt.
Jason, I have said it before, and I'll say it again, 3 layers is cool if you have the money and time.. but you are using a vibration dampening mat for a sound barrier. You could have gotten away with doing 1 layer of the dampener then doing a closed cell foam or other sound barrier on top of it... honesty would probably be more effective and easier(dunno about cheaper though).
Jason did hit the nail on the head with cleaning though. If you get the metal as clean as a damp rag can do(assuming the panel isn't covered in mud or something), and the mat doesn't stick, you bought crap. The adhesives on the good stuff are second to none.
As far as personal experience, I have only used the best on a regular basis(worked with some eDead before, as well as some cheap scoche stuff someone had lol), so they aren't cheap. BUT there is a difference. I will never recommend anything less than the best... Cascade or Second Skin.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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I was lookign at FatMAt Xtreme, its like $130 for 100 square foot... just didnt know if any of you guys ran that or? Dynamat is just WAY to expencive...not sure how much the brands you mentioned are JL...ill have to look into them though
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Make sure it isnt asphalt based or I hear itll stank something fierce.
mass loading doesn't stop rattles
It does if the "rattle" is caused by that panel's vibration. A rattle is caused by vibrations, mass loading stops vibrations. Aside from that, making sure that the rattling item(such as the vents in J body trunks) is either replaced, removed, or secured... I don't get it Brad. You are worse than me. I might be an ass, but you ONLY ever post in the audio forum to say short lines to try and look better/smarter than everyone.... wtf's up lately with you man?
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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Sorry. Lots of personal, financial, blah blah blah bull @!#$. I guess it manifests in my posts.
But still. Nobody had mentioned that mass loading doesn't stop rattles.
but if you read my reply to you, in a way, it does. Depends what is rattling, what it's rattling against, and why it's rattling
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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mass loadind does stop rattling panels from bass. the more weight something has the more pressure or force you need to make that panel vibrate. thats part of the reason why i used 3 layers. and jl i did also use closed cell foam anywhere i had the space to put it as well as liquid damper in any spot i couldnt get to with my sheets, this is the quietest car ive had. at 140 db with the doors and windows closed you can barely hear it outside the car.
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Jason... seriously... you're a nut job. AND your car has got to weigh a @!#$-ton lol.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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I got some Fatmat for my car did one layer in the rest of the car three layers in the trunk and spray foamed the back bumper and trunk lid.
Used approx 100 sqft all together and one big can of spray foam. It barely rattles at all except for the rear dash i still need to work on that one to stop from flopping around... as for the stinking after it heats up ONCE you cant smell it after that but then again i live in alberta so it might be different cuz its colder here
But it definitely is half the thickness of of dynamat but for almost a third of the price its not that bad...hope that helps a little
i only have one 12 in there but it hits 141.7 DB on a term lab
so that will do for me ill probably buy another 50 to do another layer around the wheel wells cuz i can still hear a bit of road noise when i have my panels off (which they are off right now) lol
Sweet. Thanks for all the info guys! Looks like i'll go with like 75-100 SQ. FT. Fatmat..I think that should do the trick
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So you are opting to cheap out, got it... Like I said, once you use the real stuff(btw anything on a roll IS a derivative of a roofing material or similar no matter what anyone says.)... But hey, once again, the stuff I recommended is not cheap, but is going to be FAR thicker and more effective.. ZERO smell (butyl based, not asphalt based). Ugh, hate to see people cheap out on products like this.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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you could easily spend about 100$ on dampening and call it good. all you need to do is one to two 6" x 10" piece on each panel (depending on size of panel). then your done. if you want a sound barrier then thats completely different. seeing as you need to cover everything. did you check out the site i posted? you just email him and order it. there are only like 2.50$ per tile, looks like the best you can get, never had it, but is most likely what im going to get if this second skin deal goes out the window (30 sq feet for under 100$ group purchase with a buddy). here is the site again
http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi
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I appreciate the help and the advice on brands...just more money that I would like to spend on sound dampner...I know it would be better to do it the proper way the first time, and knock it out and have it done...I just do not have that kind of money to blow on the good stuff...and as long as it keeps stuff from raddling and hearing nothing but raddling when the system is on, I am happy..not too concerned with road noise, ect. I think the cheaper stuff will get the job done for what I am wanting...if not, I learned a lesson and will be getting better stuff I guess lol
Anton - I did not understand that site at all....my idea right now is just egt like 100 SQ FT of fatmat and cover EVERYTHING lol, PM me or something if you can help out...just so this thread isnt dragged out a bunch
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Ugh he is going directly to ANTON for audio advice... what exactly has the world come to?
And Anton, you are recommending a product YOU HAVE NEVER USED. God I can't stand that stupid @!#$.
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JLAudioCavalier wrote:Ugh he is going directly to ANTON for audio advice... what exactly has the world come to?
And Anton, you are recommending a product YOU HAVE NEVER USED. God I can't stand that stupid @!#$.
top people on ssa forums say this is the best you can buy. i trust them. not you. no offense. but these people compete in sound quality....
and please never bring somthing to a PM. it should be discussed here where anyone and everyone can chime in giving there thought. this is just like what we call at work a "design review" all the engineers in the plant show up whether or not they have anything good to say just encase they know a certain subject better than others. thats really all a forum is really for is to brainstorm and come up with good solutions to complicated or easy problems.
and just because i havnt used it, it doesnt make it a bad product. i havent used focal before, but i know its a good product, i havent used second skin before and i know its a good product. I personally have never installed anything JL, I have heard and seen these things perform, whether it be online or in person. but yea, just because i have no hands on experience with it i can recommend some one gets it?
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Speaking from first-hand experience. If you are able to save up a few more weeks, a few more months for something of significantly higher quality,
do it. Removing old sound deadener when upgrading is a real headache, especially if you use a lot of it.
bradsk88 wrote: especially if you use a lot of it.
Which everyone does, because those companies like to sell it by 100sq. ft. to make up for the lack in quality that they can't give compared to the "big guys" like Cascade and Second Skin.
And Anton, 1. a LOT of people compete and will recommend what they use. Doesn't mean it is better than the competitors.
2. SSA is a @!#$ retarded forum
3. If you haven't had first hand experience installing and using it, you can NOT recommend sound dampening products. It's not like speakers where you can say "I sat in this one car that had a nicely tuned set of Focal Polyglass components". You have to have FIRST HAND experience to really see, feel, and notice the full effect of just how much better one is than the other. I can say I haven't used the SDSD stuff, but honestly of course people will say it's the best because "omg the guy who did that awesome comparison YEARS ago sells it"..... Ugh... some people.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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JLAudioCavalier wrote:
2. SSA is a @!#$ retarded forum
you are wrong sir... I am sorry but your way off base on this one. ssa is the most knowledgable audio forum ive ever seen. there is like no @!#$ going on there, its straight forward business about audio. and dont even say SMD is better cause its not, CA.com dont come close. CACO.com not much experience with that one but from what ive seen its like like ca.com. seriously. just go to the advanced discussion forum sections on there and see if you understand half the stickies up there.
but like brad said save your money and do it right. so what you have to deal with a few rattles here and there for a few months. a can of expanding foam goes along way! i would do that first on the trunk lid. got rid of alot of rattles for me. and properly fastening the liscense plate to the bumper is a real big help as well. i used weather striping under mine for there to be no possible actual contact between the bumper and the plate. and its cheap!!!!!
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Im a member on both SMD and SSA. I find the people more knowledgeable and friendly on SMD. Hence why I havent even been on SSA in months.
