I dont know which is better for hard hittin bass. Are 10in better or are 12in subs better? I'm gonna put them into a sealed box. What size boxes do u all have in ur trunks?? I want a pair of subs that i can get alot of bass out of from my 1000 watt amp i have.
The 12's would be better then 10's. Depends on what kind of amp though...
12's can hit lower than 10's but not necessarily louder....
Since you're going sealed, if you want loud build the smallest box allowed by specs and if you want to hit lower build the biggest box allowed by specs...
Cody Chanthaseny wrote:12's can hit lower than 10's but not necessarily louder....
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you've been mis-informed!
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12's move more air... you can see that just by looking at the speaker. More air movement = bigger, badder sound
12's will make more noise... wont hit as crisp or eactly with the beat...
the 10's are more precise and will hit faster and sound much better....
if your looking for noise go with 12's...
if you like music to sound good go with 10's....
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Calvin Di Bartolo wrote: More air movement = bigger, badder sound
What exactly is "bigger, badder sound"?
Joe Peps wrote:2's will make more noise... wont hit as crisp or eactly with the beat...
Wrong.
Joe Peps wrote:
the 10's are more precise and will hit faster and sound much better....
Not always, so, wrong again.
Joe Peps wrote:
if your looking for noise go with 12's...
Noise? Most speakers make noise, well, saying they work right. I haven't met a speaker yet, that properly used and hooked up doesn't make noise.
Joe Peps wrote:
if you like music to sound good go with 10's....
Not always, strike three Joe, you're out.
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Cavi in KC wrote:Calvin Di Bartolo wrote: More air movement = bigger, badder sound
What exactly is "bigger, badder sound"?
Joe Peps wrote:2's will make more noise... wont hit as crisp or eactly with the beat...
Wrong.
Joe Peps wrote:
the 10's are more precise and will hit faster and sound much better....
Not always, so, wrong again.
Joe Peps wrote:
if your looking for noise go with 12's...
Noise? Most speakers make noise, well, saying they work right. I haven't met a speaker yet, that properly used and hooked up doesn't make noise.
Joe Peps wrote:
if you like music to sound good go with 10's....
Not always, strike three Joe, you're out.
you say wrong wrong wrong.. yet with not explaintion to back yourself up.. if I am wrong prove me wrong...
becasue I can do that too...
your wrong... wrogn again and your wrong
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Joe, if your arguments are correct like you say, then why make 12 inch woofers, let alone 15's or 18's if 10's are better?
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Joe Peps wrote:12's will make more noise... wont hit as crisp or eactly with the beat...
Care to explain why a 12" won't hit as crisp or with the beat?
Joe Peps wrote:
the 10's are more precise and will hit faster and sound much better....
Same as my above question. Care to explain why are 10"s more precise, hit faster, and sound better?
Joe Peps wrote:
if your looking for noise go with 12's...
I'm still confused on what you mean here. Noise? All speakers make noise.
Joe Peps wrote:
if you like music to sound good go with 10's....
I've got some dual 15" set-ups I've used that you might mistake for 10"s.
What exactly do you want me to do to prove it to you? Prove to me that 12"s won't hit crisp or with the beat and that 10"s are more precise, hit faster, and sound better. Prove to me why if I'm looking for "noise" I should go with 12"s. Last but not least, prove to me why if I want music to sound good, I should go with 10"s.
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Heck i'm going to run 2 sets of 5 1/4's and those will be like 2 10's. I guess I've been doing it wrong all these years.
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Joe Peps wrote:
you say wrong wrong wrong.. yet with not explaintion to back yourself up.. if I am wrong prove me wrong...
becasue I can do that too...
your wrong... wrogn again and your wrong
you are quick to put your statements out there with no explanation...explain WHY before you try to get others to answer it for you.
I"m gonna say by your reply, it's pretty obvious you don't know. otherwise you would have owned him by proving HIM wrong
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wysiwyg wrote:Cody Chanthaseny wrote:12's can hit lower than 10's but not necessarily louder....
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you've been mis-informed!
OK I know what cavi in KC is talking about but not quite sure what you mean here wysiwyg. I've always noticed on subs of the same brand and line with the only difference being size of the sub, was a difference in suggested power rating and it's frequency range (sometimes by only a few hertz though). I know sometimes those numbers are the company's "safe" number etc but I thought a bigger woofer would naturally be able to hit lower notes compared to a smaller one...?
ok so i guess im goin with 2 12" Alpine Type-E subs. Would i be able to fit a box for them into my trunk?
Ryan Shissler wrote:ok so i guess im goin with 2 12" Alpine Type-E subs. Would i be able to fit a box for them into my trunk?
yes
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Ryan Shissler wrote:ok so i guess im goin with 2 12" Alpine Type-E subs. Would i be able to fit a box for them into my trunk?
haha with out any problems if you oculd only see mine
Ryan Shissler wrote:ok so i guess im goin with 2 12" Alpine Type-E subs. Would i be able to fit a box for them into my trunk?
3 12's will fit with a 32 inch box......
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The box will give you the massive bass. Bose has done this for years. Massive bass from small speakers.
Though some one from MIT made a 23" sub out of sheet metal and a linear motor.
http://neurosis.mit.edu/mjolnir/
For the 12" vs 10" issue. The 12" doesnt hit as clearly simply because of sheer weight and air pressure. Ported sub boxes will never be as clear as sealed enclosures, but will hit louder. Simple physics explained:
12" subs have to move more air than 10" do, so they need more power to push it, hence the normally-higher wattage. Ported enclosures don't have constant air pressure to 'spring' the sub back into place for crisp sound, but they will always, if set up correctly, hit to the beat. If you're a bass freak, 10's will never sound nicer. If you're a clarity freak, 12" subs in a sealed enclosure can still produce crisp sound, but not as well as 10's can (once again because of air pressure and such)
Keep in mind the sound system in a car is 10% equipment, 90% setup.
wysiwyg, it's another one of those topics. Sometimes I wonder why I even come on this forum anymore.
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Calvin Di Bartolo wrote:For the 12" vs 10" issue. The 12" doesnt hit as clearly simply because of sheer weight and air pressure. Ported sub boxes will never be as clear as sealed enclosures, but will hit louder. Simple physics explained:
12" subs have to move more air than 10" do, so they need more power to push it, hence the normally-higher wattage. Ported enclosures don't have constant air pressure to 'spring' the sub back into place for crisp sound, but they will always, if set up correctly, hit to the beat. If you're a bass freak, 10's will never sound nicer. If you're a clarity freak, 12" subs in a sealed enclosure can still produce crisp sound, but not as well as 10's can (once again because of air pressure and such)
Keep in mind the sound system in a car is 10% equipment, 90% setup.
lol I came to work.. about to post a reply and you already posted my answer..... thanks
like he said... 12 push more air than 10's do....
here is an example....
if it takes 12" sub half a second for 1 cycle and it takes 10" sub .35 of a second for 1 cycle, and they cycle of the beat of the song is at lets say .45 of a second... the 12" wont be able go to the next cycle fast enough....
now obviouslly I made up the numbers... but the reason why 12" 15" subs are for rap.. is because rap songs rarely have a low cycle count for thier baseline....
it's about 90 or so... but if you ever mixed songs on the computer and you see the bps on the songs.. dance songs are over 150.. they need a quicker cycle count to sound crisp..
like I said 12" make noise.... more noise than 10"... if you like rap (I do, but I like everything) go with 12" like I said... but if your into dance Trance Rock.. go with 10"....
if you need more explaination just ask....
and once again it's your choice, i'm just telling you how I heard it first hand.. how I studied it in class and how I believe it is.....
P.S. recap:::
12" - RAP (If you like the car rattling steady baseline and can't make out the words to the song kind rap)
10" - solid crisp, yet still powerfull to thump MORE clear than 12"
until you get into W7 the clarity is more noticable.....
now if your going with JL W7.. I would still go 2 10"... but you can go 1 12" with that sub if you like because the clarity rating on it, is one of the best....
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For the 12" vs 10" issue. The 12" doesnt hit as clearly simply because of sheer weight and air pressure. Ported sub boxes will never be as clear as sealed enclosures, but will hit louder. Simple physics explained
I've had 10 inch subwoofers weigh in as much as 15, and have just as much xmas. Now that throws your theory right out the window. As for ported vs sealed, let's say you built a crappy sealed box, and a good ported box. Ported will sound better. I've made ported boxes that'll blow your shirt off, but yet not miss a single beat. No lag, didn't sound muddy.
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If you're a bass freak, 10's will never sound nicer. If you're a clarity freak, 12" subs in a sealed enclosure can still produce crisp sound, but not as well as 10's can (once again because of air pressure and such)
I can get a set of 10's to make you puke, I can get a set of 12's to make you puke. I can also have those 12's sound just as crisp as those 10's.
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lol I came to work.. about to post a reply and you already posted my answer..... thanks
like he said... 12 push more air than 10's do....
here is an example....
if it takes 12" sub half a second for 1 cycle and it takes 10" sub .35 of a second for 1 cycle, and they cycle of the beat of the song is at lets say .45 of a second... the 12" wont be able go to the next cycle fast enough....
now obviouslly I made up the numbers... but the reason why 12" 15" subs are for rap.. is because rap songs rarely have a low cycle count for thier baseline....
it's about 90 or so... but if you ever mixed songs on the computer and you see the bps on the songs.. dance songs are over 150.. they need a quicker cycle count to sound crisp..
like I said 12" make noise.... more noise than 10"... if you like rap (I do, but I like everything) go with 12" like I said... but if your into dance Trance Rock.. go with 10"....
if you need more explaination just ask....
and once again it's your choice, i'm just telling you how I heard it first hand.. how I studied it in class and how I believe it is.....
P.S. recap:::
12" - RAP (If you like the car rattling steady baseline and can't make out the words to the song kind rap)
10" - solid crisp, yet still powerfull to thump MORE clear than 12"
until you get into W7 the clarity is more noticable.....
now if your going with JL W7.. I would still go 2 10"... but you can go 1 12" with that sub if you like because the clarity rating on it, is one of the best....
I'll start with the cycles. How many people can notice 1/100 of a second, let alone 1/10 of a second? What if your song has the cycles every 1/4 of a second, and your 10 can do .35? Looks like your all-mighty 10 is going to have some lag. As for 12's and 15's for rap... Ever been to a concert? I've seen stacks with 4 10's, 4 15's, 2 18's. And i'm not a huge rap fan. The Ramones don't play rap, so why don't they just use 10's?
About the noise thing, I still don't figure that out. 10's make noise, 8's make noise. Tweeters make noise. I can get a set of tweeters to make my ears bleed.
Finally, the W7... I'm going to argue with that. I might say the Lanzar Opti is a cleaner sub. Wysiwig might say the RE XXX is a cleaner sub. H2Blink might say his MB Quartz subs are clearer. What box you are using, what amp you are using, location of the sub, all of that will make or break a sub.
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Lanman31337 wrote:Cavi in KC, i'll take one for the team on this one.
THANK YOU.
Joe Peps wrote:because the clarity rating on it, is one of the best
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA What exactly is a clarity rating?
Although, it is possible I've missed it at some point.
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Calvin Di Bartolo wrote:
Keep in mind the sound system in a car is 10% equipment, 90% setup.
Couldn't say it better myself. I've seen people running 1-10" win SPL comps (against people running 15s and 18s), and I've heard of more than one person running 15/18-inch Strokers winning in SQ. The design of the sub enclosure, and its installation in a car will affect SQ and SPL much more than sub diameter.
