ok ive narrowed it down to these being my final 2 choices , the specs are so similar the Xs hold 1000 vs. the mtx 750, I just wonder which is louder SPL wise, both are SPL subs so I know other subs will have better sound quality which for this I am not concerned
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
Type X > mtx 750 BY a long run. Honest to God some of the best sounding subs on the market. They pound like a mad man and sound extremely smooth, responsive, all the goodness of Alpine.
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Check out the Alpine type r's. They're hitting some sick numbers and they're handling a good bit of power too.
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When going SPL the enclosure you design/build for them is going to make alot more difference than a couple hundred watts. Our trunks aren't very big so I'd be looking into which of them performs best in smaller enclosures.
I've never owned anything alpine or mtx but i've seen guys up here give 15-inch Type Rs 1500rms and never have problems. Alpine subs also seem to work very well in small boxes. I've just seen too many MTX subs die trying SPL to trust that they'll hold up, so I'd say go with the type X.
ok now teh mtxs are out of the equation totally and its Alpine type X vs the Pioneer Premier 3004s which spec wise seem to be superior not to mention half the cost
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
The pioneers are hitting some pretty good numbers as well. One nice thing with the alpine subs and the pioneer subs is that they don't require a gigantic ported box. You can put 2 of them in a 4 cube box.
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id be usin a sealed 1.25 its all i have room for
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
Alpine Type X > Pioneer Premier. Period.
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how about a JL 15"?????? or three 10"??? cause i can score um for you real cheap
1.5 cu.ft certainly isn't alot to work with for SPL. I just can't see 1.5 cubic feet being enough for a 15-inch JL to perform properly in (even a 15W6). Others who run JL may or may not agree. The low bass extension would suffer IMO. My old 12W6s performed pretty well in a 2.5 cubic foot sealed box (separate chambers, 1.25cu.ft/sub), but I wouldn't go much smaller than that for a single 12W6.
If your only choices are the Type X and the Pioneer SPL sub, I'd chose Alpine anyday. However, if you're still researching subs I would highly recommend trying to locate an Audiomobile Mass12 or, (as my second choice) an Earthquake Magma. I know that the Mass12 is no longer being made, but they work phenomenally well in a small sealed box, match the power handling of the X (I think it's rated at 1000wrms), go lower than just about anything else ever built, will destroy the Type X (and nearly every other sub ever built) in sound quality and be right up there in SPL. The Magma is no slouch either, but is more oriented toward SPL than SQ (loud, low but can be muddy sounding). It may be hard to find either sub, but they may better fit your needs than the Type X.
best thing is that the pioneers are also 20lbs lighter each than the type X's I think im going to give them a try if i dont like them i can always keep them for backup
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
unholysavage wrote:1.5 cu.ft certainly isn't alot to work with for SPL. I just can't see 1.5 cubic feet being enough for a 15-inch JL to perform properly in (even a 15W6). Others who run JL may or may not agree. The low bass extension would suffer IMO. My old 12W6s performed pretty well in a 2.5 cubic foot sealed box (separate chambers, 1.25cu.ft/sub), but I wouldn't go much smaller than that for a single 12W6.
If your only choices are the Type X and the Pioneer SPL sub, I'd chose Alpine anyday. However, if you're still researching subs I would highly recommend trying to locate an Audiomobile Mass12 or, (as my second choice) an Earthquake Magma. I know that the Mass12 is no longer being made, but they work phenomenally well in a small sealed box, match the power handling of the X (I think it's rated at 1000wrms), go lower than just about anything else ever built, will destroy the Type X (and nearly every other sub ever built) in sound quality and be right up there in SPL. The Magma is no slouch either, but is more oriented toward SPL than SQ (loud, low but can be muddy sounding). It may be hard to find either sub, but they may better fit your needs than the Type X.
Wrong, Those subs need tons of juice and WAYYYY more then 1.5 space wise to operate properly. (Especially the Magma's) Great subs ya, but they do not meet his requirements at all. Not to mention in a side by side test I bet it would be hard to choose a clear cut winner SQ wise.
Also note Earthqauke gear is extremely hard to get in Canada anymore.
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Sorry man, but I gotta disagree with you on the Audiomobile sub. In fact, I just found the review that Tom Nousaine did (in Car Stereo Review in 2000) on the Mass 2012. Here's the link for the review just so you don't think I'm making up just how good the Mass subs work in small (<2 cubic foot) sealed boxes.
http://www.roadgearmag.com/article.asp?section_id=13&article_id=183&page_number=1&preview=
I was wrong on the power handling (600wrms and not 1000wrms), but the Mass12's are absolutely PERFECT for small sealed boxes. Taken directly from the review, "Audiomobile recommends sealed enclosures of 0.8 to 1.5 cubic feet."
Tom Nousaine also said that "(it) also produced 120 dB or better at any frequency between 10 and 50 Hz with acceptably low distortion in a 1-cubic-foot enclosure. $299. Wow. I ran the frequency-response and test-tone SPL tests again with the 2012 in-stalled in a 1.5-cubic-foot enclosure in the Vette. This produced less than a half-dB improvement at frequencies between 25 and 62 Hz, but slightly more than 3 dB extra between 10 and 20 Hz. This showed that it's easier to get loud low frequencies with a larger enclosure."
There you have it - it's all in the review if you decide to read it. Sure it would go a louder and lower in larger enclosures, but what sub doesn't? As for them taking lots of power, it sounds like Rodimus plans on feeding whatever he buys quite a bit anyway. As for the way the Mass12 sounds, just read the review. I've also heard them in person and my friend's 2 Mass12s (with a little over 1cuft each) were every bit as good as (and went even lower than) my JL 2 -12W6s did (and my JLs were tuned to 28Hz for SQ). If the Type X could even come close in SQ, I would be VERY surprised (not to mention impressed). There was also a review in CSR or CA&E on a 12-inch Magma, which did very well in small boxes as well.
I know exactly how difficult it is to find the audiomobile and earthquake subs here in Canada - I've been looking for 2 mass 12s ever since my 12w6s were stolen 4 years ago. I've seen a couple 12 magmas on ebay in the past year, but that's it. I've also been looking for distributors in western Canada for RE subs with no luck.
I have a RE distributor 10 minutes down the road from me, we are good freinds as well ( I hang around his shop a many a days
. If you want I can get you in contact with him and he can ship RE products out to you for a excellent price.
All 2004 and 2005 Type X woofes are extremely impressive . I found it hard to decide on a better sounding choice when doing side by sides with w6's and w7's. I have been fed the information of mass12's and magma's needing large box sizes for years though, never really ran across this news before, kind of a surprise.
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The mtx's will get louder but wont sound as good as the type x's. The type x's sound best sealed while the 9500s will sound best ported. On the meter with the same power and box the 9500s will be louder then the x's from my expirences with both.
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Sorry bout jacking the thread. Bottom line is buy the Type X over the Pioneer and MTX subs. You won't regret buying one. I just mentioned the other subs as possible alternatives, seeing as they can perform very well in small enclosures, and are considerably less expensive than the Type X ($500US compared to ~$300US). However, as Short Hand mentioned, it may be easier to get a cavy in the 11s than finding either of them. $500 is still alot better than shelling out big $$ for a W7 (even though I'm a HUGE believer in JL).
SH, that would be awesome if you could forward your friend's email to me. Right now I'm running an 18D2 Stroker, and truly miss my W6s - sure it's stupid loud and absolutely indestructible, but the boxes are always huge and it's not accurate at all. If your friend can swing a good deal on a pair of XXXs I'd gladly change things up.
I'm also now looking at Treo SSis and the MMATS P3.0s or Dreadnaughts these seem to be more meant for comps
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
No experience with Treo (supposed to be great), but Mmats make some of the best car audio gear out there. I'd pick the Dreadnaught over the best Alpine has EVER made in a heartbeat (no brainer if it was me, provided it will perform well in that small of an enclosure). Treo's are supposed to be indestructible as well, but the Type X might be much better suited than either for small sealed enclosures.
im running a dual 1.25 sealed box with seperate chambers looking for a sub to put down at least 143db, my old audiobahn immortals did 143.1db, id like something a little stronger than that but with better sound quality the immortals in comparison to my old audiobahn 1206Ts were not as responsive
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
How much power do you plan on giving them? It sounds like you're basically looking for something geared toward SQL (meaning hard to find and expensive as hell). Does anybody out there know how an RE XXX or Adire Brahma would work in a box that size? I know that JL W7s might fit what you're looking for (lots of $$ though), as would the square Kicker Solo Barics. Keep researching and asking people on here and on some of the car stereo websites, and let us know what you find out.
RE and Brahma are too hard to get nobody carries thier stuff and i really dont like it anyway
W7s cant beat what im looking at, was going to go with the L7s but I decided not to I want circle subs they just look better.
Right now its down to the Pioneer or Alpine and I'm leaning toward the pioneer premier specs are better they are lighter and they are less expensive, I do think the Premier subs are underrated as far as thier abilities. For Power I have a A2300HCT which is 2400x1 at 1ohm RMS so I got 1200 per sub to work with which is more than enough
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
I agree with you on the difficulty of getting RE and Adire (at least here in Canada). We're pretty much limited to Alpine and Pioneer, with the occassional shop selling Kicker or JL (or Focal...if you really want to waste your money *shudder*).
As long as it's CLEAN power, 1200wrms will NEVER kill a W7. Saying that, W7s are designed for SQ and can't really compete with the true SPL subs for output. If you're doing just SPL, don't waste all that money. I've never liked the L7s, but for the same reasons as you - I like round subs. However, single 15" L7s consistently hit rediculously high at the shows here, and I don't hear of too many exploding.
The Pioneer SPL subs may just be the ticket. I'm curious to see what kind of numbers they can do, and if they can truly withstand the torture of SPL.
ill Email you asap with his phone number and fax# to his shop and cell etc. (unholysavage), Ill ask himmyself if he has a email, I always just phone him up or pop down the road if I ever have any questions.
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