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Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:39 AM
I have a base model with no tach. Will I have a purple/white tach wire at the engine harness?

If not, what are my options?

I found a couple other posts here that make sense of everything. I just gotta take the car apart now.


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Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:13 PM
Also, do I have any bizarre GM anti-theft devices built in that I need to bypass for remote start to work properly?


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Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:04 AM
Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:24 AM
There is a wire going from the spark plugs to the computer for the tach signal.

Yes, you will need a passlock module. I wouldn't call it bizarre, most newer cars have similar systems.


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Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:07 AM
Grr. I thought this was going to be more cut and dried, though they look like they plug and play.


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Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:30 PM
PASSIVE ANTI-THEFT
The PASSIVE ANTI-THEFT indicates the type of PASSIVE ANTI-THEFT system that comes factory installed in the vehicle. Most vehicles today are equipped with some sort of system. Example: many GM vehicles are equipped with Passlock or Passkey. Chrysler is equipped with "Sentry Key"and Ford is equipped with "P.A.T.S. "These systems MUST be bypassed when performing a Remote Start installation, or the vehicle will not run under Remote Start.

YES PASSLOCK 1 (Bypass or Data module required) SEE NOTES

12 VOLTS
These wires are the POWER SOURCE at the ignition that supplies 12-VOLT power for the key switch. In an alarm or remote start installation, this is where you would normally connect your 12-Volt constant power wires. You should always fuse these connections with the manufacturer’s recommended fuse size. Some vehicles contain more than one 12-Volt source at the ignition switch. In such cases, if your Remote Starter is equipped with 2 (12-Volt) input wires, you should connect one to each wire in order to power the remote starter properly and avoid burning the vehicle’s fuse.

Red Ignition harness +

IGNITION
The characteristics of the IGNITION WIRE are: 12-Volts during Accessory, Ignition and Crank. It is mandatory in every Remote Start installation. It should never be used for an ignition disable system that is intended for use as a starter cutoff.

Pink Ignition harness +

IGNITION 2
The characteristics of the IGNITION 2 WIRE are usually but not always: 12-Volts during Accessory, Ignition and Crank. In many vehicles, this wire goes "hot" just before accessory. In most cases, you may use the same timing as Accessory and not worry about powering the wire before accessory. In many vehicles, failure to connect this wire during Remote Start, will result in Transmission or Air Bag failure. NEVER use a jumper to connect this wire. See our 2nd ignition relay diagram If there is a 2nd /3rd Ignition wire, they MUST ALWAYS BE CONNECTED FOR A REMOTE START INSTALLATION.

White Ignition harness +

ACCESSORY
The ACCESSORY wire is what you need to connect to in order to power your vehicle’s HEATER and AC during Remote Start. This wire is: 12-Volts during Accessory and ignition. IT IS NOT 12-VOLTS DURING CRANK. THIS WIRE SHOULD ALWAYS BE POWERED BEFORE IGNITION.

Orange Ignition harness +

STARTER
The STARTER WIRE is 12-Volts during crank only AND MUST BE CONNECTED FOR REMOTE START operation. It is also the wire you would use for STARTER CUT for and alarm or starter disable installation. Some vehicles are equipped with a 2nd START WIRE that serves as an input wire for the temperature sense wire during start.

Yellow Ignition harness +

TACH SIGNAL
White In engine harness*
*THE engine harness is found at the front of the engine coming up over the transmission. Set your remote starter for 2 cylinders.

AC

LOCK
The LOCK WIRE is what you would normally tap on to in order to lock the vehicle’s doors during a keyless entry installation. Some vehicles also use the lock wire to lock the hatch or trunk. This is common in central locking systems. There are many different configurations for this wire. We list them all, and if there is anything abnormal about this wire, it will be listed in the vehicle’s notes. Some vehicles list the actual motor lock/unlock wires as well as these. The motor lock wires are generally reverse polarity and usually need relays connected. To view the description of those wires, slide your mouse over them

blue Top center plug on pass. Side fusebox + 5-wire
UNLOCK
The UNLOCK WIRE is what you would normally tap on to in order to unlock the vehicle’s doors during a keyless entry installation. Some vehicles also use the unlock wire to unlock the hatch or trunk. This is common in central locking systems. There are many different configurations for this wire. We list them all, and if there is anything abnormal about this wire, it will be listed in the vehicle’s notes. Some vehicles list the actual motor lock/unlock wires as well as these. The motor lock wires are generally reverse polarity and usually need relays connected. To view the description of those wires, slide your mouse over them.

White Top center plug on pass. Side fusebox + 5-wire

DOORPIN
The DOORPIN WIRE usually has a signal that indicates the status of the vehicles doors. It may also be used as a trigger to turn on the vehicle’s Domelight. Some vehicles use other wires to establish the door status. DOORPIN wires are usually positive or negative depending on the manufacturer and model. Some show negative and others show positive when the door is open. Some vehicles have a different wire for each door.

SEE NOTES***
***LT.GREEN/BLACK cover the driver's door and LT.BLUE covers all other doors. These wires are found at the BCM above the driver's kickpanel on the violet connector.



TRUNK PIN
The TRUNK PIN wire is used to indicate trunk status of the vehicle. It can be either positive or negative depending on the manufacturer and model. You may generally use this wire for an aftermarket Security System, but may in some cases require the use of a diode in series with the Security System’s trunk trigger wire.

Black At light in trunk +

TRUNK RELEASE
TRUNK RELEASE refers to a wire that triggers the opening of the vehicle’s trunk or hatch. There are many different configurations for this type of connection including positive trigger, negative trigger, high current negative trigger and reverse polarity. All possible configurations are shown in the trunk release diagram. This wire only appears on vehicle’s that may be equipped with power trunk or hatch release.

Black/white (w/keyless only) At mod. behind carpet in left of trunk +

BRAKESWITCH
The BRAKESWITCH WIRE is always referred to as the wire that becomes 12-VOLTS once the brake pedal is pressed. In some rare cases it may produce a negative signal when triggered. It is usually used to shutdown an aftermarket Remote Starter. Failure to connect this wire in a Remote Starter installation can be extremely dangerous.

White At switch above brake pedal +

PARKLIGHTS
The PARKLIGHTS WIRE is connected to the vehicles parklights and can be either a negative or positive depending on the manufacturer and model of the vehicle. Most REMOTE STARTS, SECURITY SYSTEMS AND KEYLESS ENTRIES need to be interfaced to this wire. In some vehicles it may be necessary to connect to more than one wire to get the desired results. This is indicated where required.

Brown At light switch harness +

HAND BRAKE
The HANDBRAKE WIRE is generally referred to as the EMERGENCY BRAKE in an automatic transmission vehicle and the HANDBRAKE in a manual transmission equipped vehicle. It is required in almost all Remote Start installations on manual transmission vehicles. It is generally not used for most other aftermarket products.

Lt.blue In connector above Driver's kickpanel -

HORN
The HORN WIRE is usually used for Remote Start, Security System and Keyless Entry systems as an indication of: Alarm Arm/Disarm, Panic Function, Vehicle Locate, Alarm Trigger, Lock/Unlock, Remote Start running…etc. It is usually, but not always a negative signal.

Black At steering column harness -

CLUTCH SWITCH
The CLUTCH SWITCH wire can show up in many different configurations. All of them are documented on this site. It’s prime use is for MANUAL TRANSMISSION REMOTE START installations and MUST BE CONNECTED when the vehicle requires that the clutch pedal be depressed during start.

Purple At switch above clutch pedal TYPE 1

DRIVER WINDOW UP
The DRIVER WINDOW UP refers to the wire that is used to roll up the window in the driver’s door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Dk.blue At switch in driver's door REV POL

DRIVER WINDOW DOWN
The DRIVER WINDOW DOWN refers to the wire that is used to roll down the window in the driver’s door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Brown At switch in driver's door REV POL

PASSENGER WINDOW UP
The PASSENGER WINDOW UP refers to the wire that is used to roll up the window in the passenger’s door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Blue or Blue/white At switch in driver's door REV POL

PASSENGER WINDOW DOWN
The PASSENGER WINDOW DOWN refers to the wire that is used to roll down the window in the passenger’s door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Tan At switch in driver's door REV POL

LEFT REAR WINDOW UP
The LEFT REAR WINDOW UP refers to the wire that is used to roll up the window in the left rear door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Dk.green At switch in driver's door REV POL

LEFT REAR WINDOW DOWN
The LEFT REAR WINDOW DOWN refers to the wire that is used to roll down the window in the left rear door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Purple At switch in driver's door REV POL

RIGHT REAR WINDOW UP
The RIGHT REAR WINDOW UP refers to the wire that is used to roll up the window in the right rear door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Lt.green At switch in driver's door REV POL

RIGHT REAR WINDOW DOWN
The RIGHT REAR WINDOW DOWN refers to the wire that is used to roll down the window in the right rear door. It is usually negative at rest and positive when in use. These wires are almost always REVERSE POLARITY and cannot be connected in parallel when interfacing to a window roll-up kit. Refer to the kit manufacturer’s instructions for use.

Purple or Purple/white At switch in driver's door REV POL

HEADLIGHTS
The HEADLIGHT WIRE is connected to the vehicle’s headlights (low beam) and is generally used by an AUX output on an aftermarket Security System / Remote Start. It requires a substantial amount of power and in some cases, must be connected through a relay. It is not recommended that you connect to this wire with a PARKLIGHT output from your aftermarket product as it likely cannot put out enough current and may burn as a result.

Dk.blue At light switch harness +

REVERSE LIGHTS
The REVERSE LIGHTS wire shows a signal when the vehicle is put in reverse. This wires is often used for GPS navigation installations as well as some older remote starters.

Lt.green or Gray DKP in harness to back of vehicle +

DIMMER
The DIMMER WIRE powers the dash lights and controls the dimming of these lights. YOU SHOULD NEVER CONNECT TO THIS WIRE TO POWER YOUR DASH LIGHTS, AS YOU WILL BURN THE DIMMER SWITCH. The most common application for this wire in an aftermarket installation is to control the dimmer on a Radio.

Gray At dimmer switch harness +

VSS WIRE
The VSS WIRE is the vehicle’s SPEED SENSE WIRE. It is tied in to the vehicle’s computer and is used to tell the vehicle what speed it is traveling at. It is an AC signal and is gauged in "Pulses per mile". The most common use in the aftermarket is for connection to GPS Tracking/Navigation System or Cruise Control. It is rarely required for anything else

Dk.green/white****
****PIN-16 of the C2 80-pin connector.

At PCM near pass.side fender 4000ppm

KEY SENSE
The KEY SENSE WIRE is used to determine whether the ignition key is in or out of the ignition switch. It is required occasionally during a Remote Start installation as it sometimes controls the automatic positioning of the steering column / wheel. It may vary in voltage and polarity depending on the manufacturer and the model. Specific instructions are usually indicated on this site where required.

Lt.green Ignition harness -

DATABUS INTERFACE
Pin-2(top row from left) Diagnostic plug below dash DATA

PASSLOCK DATA
Yellow or black In 3 wire harness from ignition switch DATA

PASSLOCK GROUND
Black In 3 wire harness from ignition switch -

BULB TEST
Black In main power harness from ignition switch -


? Vehicle notes
PLEASE NOTE: This vehicle is equipped with GM's PASSLOCK I anti-theft system. Please see our security diagram before installing any remote start products.
* The engine harness is found at the front of the engine coming up over the transmission. Set your remote starter for 2 cylinders.
** Locks are mastered from the passenger side.
*** LT.GREEN/BLACK cover the driver's door and LT.BLUE covers all other doors. These wires are found at the BCM above the driver's kickpanel on the violet connector.
**** Pin-16 of the C2 80-pin connector.

There are all the wires you need for a remote/alarm install....you can find a bypass kit for the passlock here http://www.bypasskit.com/product.aspx?prodid=PLXR


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Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:10 PM
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DATABUS INTERFACE
Pin-2(top row from left) Diagnostic plug below dash DATA



is that the purple wire in the odb II?

If so, then it needs to be soldered on there like 6" away from the plug. Doesnt it....

Otherwise great info..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:03 PM
Sweet, that's gonna make this easy!

:copy and paste and print!:

Is this a module I could use? http://store.yahoo.com/logjam/crimcsgmat.html

(I already have a crimestopper remote start/alarm module.)

I'm going to add power locks and a power trunk as well.

Where should I hide the brain?


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Re: Alarm/Remote start... tach wire?
Friday, September 16, 2005 8:31 AM
Okay, took the wires from your list and the wires from my alarm manual last night. I haven't had time to install this yet.

I have some basic questions:

12v Carjack input: Is it needed? Can I just cap it off and not use it, ever? I live in Nebraska, carjacking isn't all that common.

Alarm has a dome light output. I have the relay for it. I don't have a listing for a wire to input on the car. Manual says it's optional. I know I have door pins, which control the dome light, but I need those for input to the alarm. Is it safe to wire those together, or will I have a plume of smoke and the smell of ozone in my car?

I'm adding some aftermarket door lock solenoids. I have blue green and red (pretty standard) and a blue/white for a secondary unlock on the passenger door on the alarm. The diagram for using secondary unlock has three relays.

Two relays (blue/white and green on the input sides) appear to be wired through a L/UL switch, which I do not have. The two wires appear to go through the switch to "ground" on one side of the relay (pin 87A) and their respective lock/unlock wires on the other (pin 30).

Will it hurt to wire 87A on these two relays to ground (like it is on the "aftermarket" diagram), or will I be smelling ozone?

Thanks.


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